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Fino's 58 Wagon

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by FinoCJ, Aug 10, 2019.

  1. duffer

    duffer Rodent Power

    That is my experience but perhaps it depends on which cylinder you purchase.
     
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  2. Rozcoking23

    Rozcoking23 RUN & GET BIT! 2024 Sponsor

    Sorry, what I was trying to ask was if the rear wheel cylinders are the same (bore) size as the originals. The different sizes will change the feel of the pedal.
     
  3. Fireball

    Fireball Well-Known Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Yes, this.
     
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  4. jeep peep69

    jeep peep69 Member

    The 11" bendix has a larger wheel cylinder. Thus requiring a larger amount of fluid to operate. The symptoms described are that of a missing or incorrect RPV .
     
  5. Tralehead

    Tralehead Member

    Is a vac booster some sort of wussy badge? If so, please make sure I get one with a magnet so I can proudly display it on my dash.
     
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  6. Jw60

    Jw60 That guy 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    There is more road feel without the power. James is big on road feel and keeping simple.

    But it does play into wheel cylinder size.
     
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  7. FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

    Just wanting to confirm I set-up the drums and self-adjusters correctly....here is how I set -up my brakes - this isn't actually a picture of mine, but from a friend on OWF and I set mine up just the same. In this pic, the passenger side is on the left, and the driver side is on the right.....this puts the longer shoe and the star wheel towards the rear of the vehicle.
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    Here is an actual pic of my rear passenger side in place...if you zoom in, you can see the 'R' on the self adjusting mechanism.
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    Last edited: Apr 18, 2024
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  8. Jw60

    Jw60 That guy 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Do you have a picture showing the thread pitch and angle on the adjuster? Hopefully they are simply switched side for side. (Easy fix)
     
  9. FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

    The adjusters were way out of adjustment....don't know if it was me when i put them on, or if the mechanism is not self adjusting properly....but, I think they are installed correctly. For lack of a better way to explain it, to expand/tighten the shoes against the drums, the star wheel turns such that the inside/diff side of the star wheel is pushed upwards as you would do through the window in the backing plate (in other words, on the driver side the wheel turn ccw when viewed from the rear, and the passenger side turns cw when viewed from the rear). They ratchet freely in this direction - the lever arm that slots into the star wheel teeth allows the outside/wheel side of the star wheel to move downward, and blocks it from moving upward (without manually pushing the lever out off of the star wheel). This is basically then same when in self adjustment mode, where when that lever arm is pulled back enough when the shoes are pushed out (in reverse), the lever will raise up to the next higher tooth on the star wheel, and then when the brakes are released, the spring return the lever to its initial position which moves the outside of the star wheel down - and this should expand the adjuster, tightening the brakes. So basically, it all seems to functioning again - test drive was positive....but we'll see if they stay adjusted.....maybe i never got it all adjusted correctly the first time, but both sides were exactly the same. Now I need to readjust the parking brake cable length - its a bit too tight.
     
  10. Tralehead

    Tralehead Member

    It looks like mine, and mine work. And of course how the e brake comes in is a good hint.
    I have found that keeping the adjuster thread clean and a very slight coating of high temp grease on them and the cable where it passes over the guide helps the 'adjusting". When I back up and hit them I can hear a "thunk" like sound that tells me everything is moving and there's a noticeable difference moving forward. Your results may vary.
     
  11. Tralehead

    Tralehead Member

    And the age of your knees...
     
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  12. FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

    Mine are young....

    Road feel is important, especially in steering....it's not that I like simple, it's just all I can manage. I prefer driving my rigs over building them, so working out details of complex systems quickly kills my interest. To each their own in how they choose to build a rig - I don't recommend anyone build a rig the way I do. Function and capability are not the only considerations. Its important to me to keep an authenticity to my rigs along with a time period aesthetic....the 58 already challenges my notion of authenticity everyday, not to mention the builder did too much complex stuff that he didn't really know how to do, so it spends as much time getting troubleshot as it does driving.