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Spark Wire Crimp Location

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by truckee4x4, Sep 18, 2021.

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    truckee4x4

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    Sorry if this is a "auto 101" question, but as everyone knows I'm just a photographer....

    Anyway - I have the straight MSD boots and terminals to put on my new spark wires. Trying to get these the right length so that I can CNC the looms out of 16 gauge later on.

    I understand with the 90 degree terminals that one should bend the conductor back and crimp with the insulation. But with these longer ones, do I crimp just the insulation, and then crimp the conductor in the part of the terminal that is just past the end of the insulation?
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    That link sends me to a Bing page that lists a bunch of videos and I watched almost every one of those before I posted and unless I missed one none of them seem to have the exact same straight/bend dual crimp terminals that I got at O’Reilly’s. I figured somebody on here might have done them
     
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    Tim's suggested video covers it. Your OP shows the dual crimp design terminal. Crimp at the conductor and then crimp at the jacket----as it lays in your second picture. Don't forget to have your boot on so you can slide it in place.

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    The gist is that you crimp the second location on the inner conductor. They show some fancy crimping pliers that I presume Jegs will be happy to provide :rolleyes:.

    I've only used the Summit wires, and they include a cheesy crimp tool with the wire kit. Maybe with the fancy MSD set they figure you can buy their crimp tool too?
     
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    Thanks for this. Not sure why I never found it while Googling before I made this thread.

    I’ll be be using my electrical connector crimping tool and keeping my $13…

    Anyway - does anyone recall there being a resource on this site where someone made a CAD file of the original Dauntless wire looms?
     
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    @Dave B - any pointers on how to slide these straight boots on the wire first? I went through the entire package of dielectric grease and unsuccessfully didn’t even get one on…
     
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    I used spray silicone, IIRC. Something I keep in the garage.
     
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    I use WD40 :shrug:
     
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    Warm the boot in hot, very soapy water and twist---like you were threading it on like a nut. Works sometimes! :steamed:

    Warm boot = expanded vs. contracted. For soap = dish soap, hair conditioner.
     
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    Thanks guys. I actually got it to work and finish the left-hand side by just putting on a load of dielectric grease inside with qtips, And taking a razor blade and chamfering the front rubber of the wire.

    While I have everyone’s attention, on the right hand side - do the wires go above the valve cover and then to the spark plugs or between the valve cover and the alternator?

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    Over the valve cover.
     
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    It's not a CAD drawing but there is a picture and overall dimension in the Resources section of the forum.

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    Looking at this thread it seems to depend on the year: URL="Factory Engine Bay Photos?"]Factory

    It looks like the earlier ones were over the valve cover while the later ones went around the front.
     
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    What are the tabs up on the top of the valve cover supposed to convey?
     
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    I’ll convert that to a DXF and cut some on the CNC tomorrow. Will share the file if successful. Do you think they are 16ga?
     
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    Yep, looks like 16ga:
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    Cheers thanks. I’m feeling like it might be time for me to start a “dumb engine question” thread since they are piling up in my mind….
     
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    Start an "Awesome Engine Question" thread instead.
     
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    Aerosol brake cleaner. Makes everything slippery as, well slippery. Then it disappears leaving no residue. Also great for sliding the left grip onto your motorcycle handlebar.
     
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