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Fino's D27 Knuckle Stud Project

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by FinoCJ, Aug 19, 2021.

  1. Jun 5, 2022
    fyrmn

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    Thanks Fino, for your help!
    Here is what I ordered from Mcmaster, to accomplish this spot facing project.
    #2814A87. 5/8 “spot face” counterbore.
    Also ordered a 21/32 but was on back order. #2814A361.
    #3103A29 pilot to match the above. 5/16”
    I did order a #3103A3 pilot 3/8” figuring I could turn it down for a more precision fit, but the 5/16 seemed to work fine.
    Turned the bolt head diameter as Fino suggested with a drill.
    Didn’t have to take much off and if the 21/32 bore would have been here even less. Three and nine position heads got reduced in thickness for turning clearance as Fino discussed. I am working on an early Cj6 (longer turning radius) so the amount I removed from the axle housing was negligible during mock up and more for just in case, as Fino already documented. Your results may vary.
    This isn’t machinist quality but trued up the drill press as best I could, and bolted the knuckle from underneath the drill press table x 2. Secondary to dry fit, all looks good. Waiting for the locktite to dry.
    Mcmaster isn’t cheap but if you are old and have ADD like me, they are quick.
    Hope this helps.
     
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  2. Jun 5, 2022
    FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

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    Awesome...thanks so much for posting the tool information!
     
  3. Jul 21, 2022
    WTn800

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    Great information from all! I will follow this thread for future use when I tackle my knuckles.
     
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  4. Aug 9, 2022
    Renegade ll

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    James did you use locking nuts on those buttonhead bolts?
     
  5. Aug 9, 2022
    FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

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    I believe I used nylock nuts....I would have no concern with using a traditional nut and lock washer either.
     
  6. Aug 9, 2022
    Renegade ll

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    James do you still have the 5/8" spot face counterbore? I worked on my jeep today. Getting ready to put the powr-Lok in. I have the steering knuckles out and all cleaned up. I ordered the buttonhead bolts a few minutes ago. Figured I would do the steering knuckles while I had the front axle out.
    Thanks
     
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  7. Aug 9, 2022
    FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

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    No, the spot facing tool Mcruff loaned to me has been passed along to another member, and is maybe back to Mike by now. For my next go around with the project on the 58, I plan to buy the following from McMasterCarr as laid out by fyrmn:
    Here is what I ordered from Mcmaster, to accomplish this spot facing project.
    #2814A87. 5/8 “spot face” counterbore.
    Also ordered a 21/32 but was on back order. #2814A361.
    #3103A29 pilot to match the above. 5/16”
     
  8. Aug 9, 2022
    Renegade ll

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    I understand the 5/8" "spot face" counterbore. What do the other 2 tools do?
     
  9. Aug 9, 2022
    FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

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    Fyrmn wanted the 21/32 spot face tool, but as it was on backorder, so used a 5/8" and it seem to work ok. But you also need a pilot bore that attaches on the end of the spot face - this goes inside the threaded hole and insures that the spot facing stays perpendicular/normal to the axis of the threaded hole. You need just the right size pilot bore to fit into the the threaded hole - in this case you want the 5/16" pilot. As Fyrmn and myself learned the hard way, most generic 5/8" spot face tools have too large of a pilot bore that will not fit into the threaded hole on the knuckle. See here (from post 23 above):
    http://www.earlycj5.com/xf_cj5/index.php?threads/148922/page-2#post-1683043

    In the end, unless you can make a special tool or get Mikes tool - you have to order a 5/8" space facing tool with an interchangeable pilot tip - and then order the appropriate 5/16" pilot tip.
     
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  10. Aug 9, 2022
    Renegade ll

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    Thanks James. Wish me luck.

    Oh by the way when I pulled the 2 front axles I was amazed at how much of the sludge grease had followed the axle shaft back towards the diff.
     
  11. Aug 9, 2022
    Stakebed

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    Do Dana 30 front ends need this same modification?
     
  12. Aug 9, 2022
    FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

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    No.... different open knuckle design.
     
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  13. Aug 9, 2022
    jpflat2a

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    ...and they come from factory with knuckle studs installed.
     
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  14. Aug 16, 2022
    Renegade ll

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    I got the tool from another member. Took a few minutes to do the spot facing. Now I am waiting to get the passenger dana 27 2 hole knuckle and do the spot facing for it. I will have several buttonhead bolts left over, let me know if you need any.
     
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  15. Aug 17, 2022
    Warloch

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    Once I get my lathe up, I may try to make another one for folks to use. Just a neat little project that sounds fun.
     
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  16. Nov 7, 2022
    FinoCJ

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    Hey Julius - what size buttonhead bolts did you use? Mostly, I can't remember what brakes you have on your set-up....when you did this knuckle stud conversion, do you have disc or drum brakes up front? The buttonhead bolt dimensions I listed at the very top were for drum brakes (thin drum backing plate), but if going with disc brakes, the caliper bracket is a good bit thicker and I am guessing the buttonhead bolts need to be 1/4-3/8 longer.....I am trying to get parts together for this on the 58 but with discs instead of drums like on my cj. I'll add the specs to the first post as well. thanks!
     
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  17. Nov 7, 2022
    FinoCJ

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  18. Nov 8, 2022
    Renegade ll

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    James I was going to do a write up on this very subject. I have the R&P 4wd disc brakes on all 4 corners. The front disc's are from a chevy pu 1/2 ton. Due to the thickness of the bracket I wish my bolts were 1/4" longer. I ended up having to use special locking nuts so I could get them past the end of the bolts. In my personal oppinion I think disc brakes up front and 11" drums in the back is the way to go. If you need any part numbers for the disc brake calipers let me know I just purchased the 2 front ones. The rear disc's are from an S10 blazer 1985.
     
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  19. Nov 8, 2022
    FinoCJ

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    I am putting together a parts list for this and ordering the counterbore tools (which I borrowed last time) in prep for using the GM 1/4 ton (S-10) disc swap. I plan on ordering the 3/8"-24 buttonheads in both 1.5" and 1.75" lengths. The 1.5" will most likely do the trick with disc brakes, but for another $10, I'd rather have both sitting on my table for test fitting.
     
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  20. Nov 8, 2022
    Renegade ll

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