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66 Cj5 - What Am I Looking At ?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Oldpappy, Mar 19, 2023.

  1. Mar 19, 2023
    Oldpappy

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    Going to go pick up a 70 CJ5 tomorrow. I have only seen some pictures of it.

    It has a V6 engine, but I think it isn't a true Dauntless engine, maybe later Buick odd fire judging by the valve covers, and distributor cap, but I am not that experienced with these.


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  2. Mar 19, 2023
    Twin2

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    yep looks like a 231
     
  3. Mar 19, 2023
    Oldpappy

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    I am just buying this thing to part out. Thanks for confirming what I was thinking. I am not sure what is salvageable on this old gal yet, but he says the engine will turn over, but he hasn't tried to start it.
     
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    timsresort

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    Even fire cap. Look forward to seeing the rest of it.
     
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    Oldpappy

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    Hmm.., I thought it was an odd-fire cap due to the uneven spacings, but like I said I am not very experienced with these.

    Its pretty rough. The tub is totally gone with rust. Hood, grill and windshield frame don't look too bad in the pictures. Looks like it has original seat brackets, with high back seats. Some kind of padded dash overlay that extends up over the flat part of the windshield inside so I couldn't tell what the windshield looks like under that. Has a roll bar, which I want. The transmission cover is off but I could not see enough of the transmission to tell what it is. It has a single stick transfer case.
     
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    timsresort

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    This is an oddfire cap I had sitting on the bench.
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    Oldpappy

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    I see said the blind man as he picked up the dime from the street.

    So, definitely not a true "Dauntless" Jeep, which is what I had already expected. Not sure what else I'll find, but will be picking it up tomorrow, unless it is too toasted to bother with.
     
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    Oldpappy

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    Can't see much from this picture, but the transmission looks like a T-90, and looks like a single stick transfer case.

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  9. Mar 20, 2023
    Oldpappy

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    Got the old hulk home just now.

    Transmission is not a T-90. I am guessing it is a T-14, but I never have had one so will have to investigate further. Has a single stick D18, so I assume the large hole with bigger intermediate shaft. It is mated to a BOP bell with a iron adaptor.

    It has an open knuckle D-30, looks like 11" drums on front, 10" on rear. Rear axle is D-44 tapered axle.

    Not much of the body is worth salvage, the hood is dented in, and has some rust issues, windshield frame is earlier with top wipers but has good glass which I have a use for.
    Grill looks better than the one on my Jeep. Has a roll bar made of big tubing. The engine isn't stuck, and I am going to try and get it to run before I start taking it apart. Has fender well headers, no mufflers so should be loud if I get it to running.
     
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    Here’s a pic of the T14 and single stick D18 in my ‘70 before I took it out and cleaned it up while replacing my clutch.


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    Here’s a cleaned up view showing the adapter
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    Oldpappy

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    Bell housing looks the same, but the shift tower, top cover, shift cane and the adaptor (this one is not that thick) all look a little different on this old Jeep. I'll go down to the barn tomorrow and scrape some crud off it to see if I can read any markings, and will take some pictures.
     
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    FinoCJ

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    Possible it's a t86....t14 was more common/used more years, but....
     
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    That Holley wasn't there at birth AFAIK.
     
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    Even fire 231. It may have a heavy dauntless flywheel on it but there were a few manual cars out there at one time. If it has the factory even fire flywheel its worth having around.
     
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    Oldpappy

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    The Jeep does have the bigger brakes as used on a Dauntless, but I haven't determined whether it is actually a Dauntless Jeep. I guess it possibly is, and just had an engine replacement later in life, but there are no emblems left on it. Won't know what flywheel it has until I pull it apart.

    I will be pulling it apart over the next few weeks, so will know more about what I have afterwards. Frame looks pretty good, but there is a big plate welded in front like a winch mount, but no holes in it for mounting a winch, so I don't know what that was about. Tailgate has been replaced with a heavy panel welded in, and a homemade spare tire mount in the middle of it. Most of the body will go on the scrap truck.
     
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    Oldpappy

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    Transmission is a T-86, which either indicates the Jeep is older than a 1970, or drive train was swapped in from more than one donor. Transmission is probably not worth salvage.

    I was tickled today to remove the windshield glass without any difficulty and found it to be in fine shape after cleaning. I needed a windshield glass for my CJ5. Windshield frame is ruined, it has several holes in it, some look like bullet holes, and it has been welded to the body with pieces of angle iron down each side, so will go on the scrap truck with the rest of the body. Has a decent rear view mirror mount.
     
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    Oldpappy

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    This is getting curiouser. It doesn't matter much on this old hulk, but I like resolving a mystery.

    The guy I got it from said it was a 70 model, but he had just bought it as junk a week before, so I don't know what he based that on. It has the hood one would expect on a 70 model, but he didn't know much about Jeeps. Some other things caused me to think it was older. The windshield frame is earlier with top mounted wipers but that could easily have been a replacement. The T86 transmission, V6 setup including the correct throttle pivot on the firewall, the 11" front brakes and 10" rear brakes all point to a Dauntless Jeep.

    Here is the mystery. The serial number on the firewall plate is 199242 which indicates an October 1965 build date. This is a year too early for Dauntless according to what I have found. Anyone know if Dauntless Jeeps were coming down the line in late 65 ?
     
  19. Mar 22, 2023
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    Your serial # is less than 100 earlier than the one Buildflycrash just picked up and is trying to figure out. Interesting.

    Tim
     
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    Oldpappy

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    That is interesting. I went back and looked at his thread and notice something else in common with this Jeep. Both of his Jeeps lack the "A" expected to be on the VIN plate for a V6 Jeep, this one also lacks the "A".

    I looked closely at the frame but see no indication of there ever being engine stands for the F-134. The engine stands on it are definitely Jeep V6 stands and look like they have always been there. Most of the CJ5 standards I have seen which had a conversion to the V6 either had aftermarket engine stands, or modified 4cyl stands which had been moved back several inches leaving empty rivet holes from original placement. Despite the mystery of the build date seeming to predate Dauntless, and the lack of the "A" on the plate, I am leaning toward thinking this was built as a V6 Jeep. No way to know if the VIN plate is original to the Jeep, but it looks right and is fastened to the firewall with Philips head screws that look as old as everything else under the hood.
     
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