Koenig King Winch/ PTO Repair

My brother broke my winch! He hooked the cable straight to a tractor without using a snatch block or anything while I was at work. Now when I move the lever to engage the PTO, I get nothing. Jeep drives fine, just no power to the winch. Everything looks OK from the outside, shafts intact and such. I've never opened up the PTO/Transfer case. What am I going to be looking at? Will I need a new gasket when I go to put it back together? Anybody got pics of the inside so I know what it's supposed to look like. I've been to the koenig site, but can't seem to find what I think I'm looking for.

 

Boy does that suck! Is the pto and shaft not working or is it at the winch? Hopefully it's in the pto and not the winch .
The pto unbolts of the back and is pretty streight forward as far as dissasebaly,you don't have to do anything with the transfercase. My guess is it stripped the pto gear or the teath off the Bull gear ( where pto hooks up) I'd pull it and make sure there's no metal that fell down into your transfercase etc. Good luck.

 

What Windyhill said regarding the shafts turning or no drive to the winch. If the pto shaft is turning when engaged then the pto most likely is ok. The Koenig winches have two slotted style key ways with keys that act as shear pins to help keep the winch from being overloaded. There are also two pins protruding from the drum the clutch engages to drive the winch. It's possible any of these have sheared. Checking to see if the pto shaft operates will help narrow this down. If the pins or the keys have sheared, the winch needs to be removed and disassembled. Another thought, it's also possible one of the keys have sheared in the pto shafts, so check those also. Nickmil

 

The shaft from the PTO to the winch is not turning. It doesn't feel like anything is engaging when I shift it on. Almost like the shifter shaft is broken?

 

The shifter can be removed without removing the pto. There are 4 machine screws on top holding a retaining plate which in turns holds in the pivot pin. If you remove the retaining plate you should be able to pull up the shifter and the pivot pin. Then you can check an see if the shifter is broken. There is a fork on the end of the shifter that fits over a pin on the shifter fork down inside.

 

You might have also broken the chain in the case.
Here is a parts brake down:

http://www.hdts.vcn.com/JEEP/model%2040.jpg

This is for the 2 output model. If you have the single output model, let me know and when I get home tonight I can post that brake down
Good Luck

 

Sounds like it could be the chain to me to, If you have the same pto unit I do ( model 51, single forward output ) you should be able to split the case to inspect the unit and replace the chain without removing the whole unit from the vehicle. You will have to get some sheet gasket material to make a new gasket, .030 thick worked good for me and was very close to original gasket thickness.
My chain was so slack that its a wonder it did not climb off the sprockets, The sprockets were still in pretty good shape though. My unit used 40 pitch roller chain and I found some at ACE Hardware, They had some 10 foot lengths prepackaged with 1 connecting link.

I hope you dont need them but here are the part numbers for bearings and output shaft seal, they are NAPA SKF numbers
Bearings = R16-2ZJ ( there are 4 of them all the same )
Seal = 10075

 

Thanks, that helps alot. At least now I have some idea of what I'll be looking for when I get in there. Is there any other maintenance or service I should do while I have it open?

 

You are probably going to find it full of oil. Its all open from both the trans and transfer case so If you have gone up a lot of steep hils, etc. they can fill up with oil from the opening. When you put it back together, you only need to add enough oil so that at the bottom of the case, the chain is in the oil and it will sling oil over the rest of the unit. Later on you might keep track of the oil in your 2 cases to make sure that too much oil has not gotten over in the PTO case to make the trans/transfer case's low on oil. Also use the same oil in the PTO as the other cases.
Luck

 

I seem to remember the chain being #50 chain, on my Model 51. It's an easy fix, the rear cover lower bearing can be a bear to remove.

Check all driveshaft keys first, you probably sheared one.

 

Interesting, I wonder if your unit is newer than mine and they switched to a larger pitch chain at some point. Just for fun and reference my unit provides a reduction in shaft rpm, the sprocket on the transmission end has 15 teeth while the sprocket on the shaft end has 16 teeth.

Total agreement on the bearings being hard to remove, Had to support my housings with large sockets and drive them out, not to bad of a job really but you do need to take the time to get set up for it. The bearing I think you are refering to on the bottom is concealed by the casting, I was afraid that I would damage the casting removing it with a slide hammer, I drilled two holes in the cover 180 degrees apart right above the bearing then supported the housing on a socket and drove it out with a 1/8 inch pin punch a little at a time first one side then the other, I just tapped the holes and put some short screws in them with some sealant............so far so good.

 

Hillbilly post up pics of what you find.

 

Those parts #s are a life-saver. I'm about to start rebuilding my 51.
NAPA prices on those bearings are CRAZY!!! $72/ea....ooof.
Summit has them for $32 which is nice since I need 4 of them.

 

The different sprockets may be why your chain was so loose. maybe they couldnt find the same one and put it together anyway