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1958 Land Rover Series 1

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by DanStew, Jun 26, 2017.

  1. Jul 30, 2017
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    Well got my PTO hole sleeved in the rear crossmember.
    At first i was not going to recreate it since I did not think i would ever find a Land Rover PTO setup in the states very easy.
    But now that I am using the Dana 18, this opens me up for some PTO options... or use the SM465 for its PTO :)
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  2. Jul 30, 2017
    Keys5a

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    That rear crossmember with the hole is a trademark item for a Series Rover. I'm glad you took the time to add it. It just doesn't look right without it!
    -Donny
     
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  3. Jul 31, 2017
    DanStew

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    I am trying to decide on if i should weld in a receiver in the center for a hitch or not. I know the original Rover had the pintle hook or the plate with a ball on it, but upgrading to the receiver will be a bit more versitile.
     
  4. Jul 31, 2017
    jeepstar

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    my vote is the receiver. like you say, its more versatile. doing what you want now=time saved down the road?
     
  5. Jul 31, 2017
    Chuck W.

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    I'd say add the receiver, too. Now's the time to do it, and I don't think it will take away from the look. I assume you are going to add the Rover handles, hinge brackets, etc. to keep the original look?
     
  6. Jul 31, 2017
    DanStew

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    Yes, all those will be added. I guess the original crossmember was repalced a long time ago, i found real big booger welds on the tailgate brackets. I had to cut off the old handles, they were rotted, but i will be getting new ones
     
  7. Jul 31, 2017
    Bowbender

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    You've already custom built the frame, I think a receiver makes good sense.
     
  8. Aug 1, 2017
    PeteL

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    Could you make a receiver, with the right holes around it to also mount a pintle plate over it if you wanted to?
     
  9. Aug 2, 2017
    Long&Low

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    nice work.
     
  10. Aug 4, 2017
    DanStew

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    Got some stuff in the mail.Got some springs and some grab handles
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    Put them on the front and it is rolling
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    Put the handles on the rear crossmember, starting to look like a Series Rover :)
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    Coolest thing was the freebie from the suspension company :)
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    Yup it will be mounted on the Rover.

    I still have lots of work. I need to adjust the height I am not liking the size shackle i have on the front right now .
     
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  11. Aug 5, 2017
    Keys5a

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    Yea, the front pinion angle looks too low. You might end up mounting the upper shackle pivot tube though the frame rail rather than under it. Getting the pinion angle set will also set the caster angle at the same time, if you are sticking with the Series Rover front axle.
    Looking good! What are the specs on those front springs?
    -Donny
     
  12. Aug 6, 2017
    DanStew

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    Yes, the angle is off. If need be I can wed a new perch on or use a degree shim. These options give me a little wiggle room to fine tune stuff.
    The springs are about 2" over stock.
    Rocky Mountain, Parabolic Springs

    I am mocking it all up with the Rover axles. I am currently looking for Land Cruiser axles so i can have some more options for regearing and lockers. I still have not opened up the rear to see how bad the gears are. At least I know i would need to rebuild the diff, not sure if i need anything else.
     
  13. Aug 6, 2017
    DanStew

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    Yes, the angle is off. If need be I can wed a new perch on or use a degree shim. These options give me a little wiggle room to fine tune stuff.
    The springs are about 2" over stock.
    Rocky Mountain, Parabolic Springs

    I am mocking it all up with the Rover axles. I am currently looking for Land Cruiser axles so i can have some more options for regearing and lockers. I still have not opened up the rear to see how bad the gears are. At least I know i would need to rebuild the diff, not sure if i need anything else.
     
  14. Aug 6, 2017
    DanStew

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    Well I had a buddy come over and I threw the bed on the frame. Trying to see how much it will settle down with weight on the rear. It is raked a little bit in the back, but with the bed and hard top and seats later on it should be just fine.
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    And the rear view. I welded in a receiver in the crossmember. It looks real close to the factory Rover crossmember with everything attached. Cant wait to weld it on
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  15. Aug 6, 2017
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    Looking good Cap'n Dan!
     
  16. Aug 7, 2017
    Keys5a

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    You'll like those front springs. They flex and ride much better than the original leaf springs.
    As far as axles go, keep in mind ARB makes (made?) air lockers for the early 10 spline Rover axles. I have one of these for options on one of my projects. Also, you may be able to swap your Series diff hogshead into a later (wider) Rover disc brake axle housing to keep your 4:70 gearing. Through the late '80s, Rover still used a 10 spline axle shaft and they are cheap and available. Also, I know some of the D90 folks convert a Toyota hogshead into the Rover housing. I think a stud or two has to be redrilled, and aftermarket axle shafts used.
    To me, a Rover just doesn't look right unless it has the 6 1/2" on 5 lug pattern wheels, and the rear crossmember you have already taken care of!
    -Donny
     
  17. Aug 7, 2017
    DanStew

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    Yeah I am wanting to keep the large lug wheels. I do go back and forth. I have only 2 Range Rovers that are early enough for the 10 spline but they were still on the rigs and I did not want to have to deal with another derelict rig in the yard. If i did cruiser axles i does give me a cheaper alternative for disc brakes unless I can find a Range Rover set with the disc already there. I wanted to do a lock right if i did a locker, the ARBs are nice but I just never had the $ to even think about using them. I saw the toyota comments about putting their diffs in the rover housing. I have not found a definitive writeup for that swap.
     
  18. Aug 7, 2017
    DanStew

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    Did some welding tonight. Final welded the suspension mounts up, relocated rear tub brackets on the frame and welded up the rear crossmember.

    I took it out for a stroll this evening to give it some air
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    I have to cut out the fishplates end put them on, then I start on the bulkhead. Once that is repaired i can start putting the outrigger mounts on to bolt that up.
     
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  19. Aug 7, 2017
    Admiral Cray

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    I'd wheel it... (y)
     
  20. Aug 8, 2017
    Keys5a

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    Unless you took very accurate measurments for the bulkhead outriggers, you may have to position the rear tub, then sills/doors, then bulkhead, essentially working forward from the mounting tabs on the rear crossmember. I'm guessing a single bolt, parallel to the frame rails, mounts the bottom of the bulkhead on each side? That is how the later Series bulkhead mounts.
    Are you going to use the bulkhead mounted steering box, or a later power box from a modern Rover, or a GM or Ford box?
    -Donny
     
  21. Aug 8, 2017
    Oldriginal86

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    That is one fine looking blank canvas just waiting for your artistic imagination.
     
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