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66 Military Model?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by ODBuffalo, Oct 9, 2014.

  1. Oct 9, 2014
    ODBuffalo

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    As I have been looking for a solid, more original than not 5, I keep coming back to a listing near by offering a 1966 CJ.
    Can you guys help with some info on this, what do you see?

    Overall it looks pretty solid (from the fuzzy images provided) with a V6.
    Looking like a military model, I can't find anything about military models from that year.
    Also looks like there was some work done to the passenger side. Ive asked for additional photos but....

    They have taillights like that?
    Rollbar?
    16" wheels?

    Whats the cut-out/circle in the side cowl, passenger side for?

    They are asking $2900 for it.

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    Alan28

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    Looks like a M38 A1.
     
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    Jeff55cj5

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    tymbom

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    Interesting.... I own a M38a1. There are some similarities.... This looks like a mash up of CJ parts with some military parts. The tub is a M38a1. But it shouldn't have a tailgate. The windshield and grill are civilian. It doesn't have the military tow hooks on the front or back. The hole in the passenger side cowl is for a slave plug. It also has the correct dash for a M38a1.
     
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    gunner

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    A mix of 5 and M38A1. Tub is A1 but has tailgate cut in; CJ5 grill and windshield along with 60/40 seat. Single stick TC and V6 could mean a M38A1 tub was placed on a CJ5 frame and running gear. There are a few other things military such as the blackout light and the bows for the canvas top.

    Interesting they put a CJ5 heater in. The circle in the pass side of the tub was for a heavy duty electrical connection for using the jeep to jump other military vehicles. The A1s were 24 volt originally. After a certain SN, they just had a blank plate on them.
     
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    ODBuffalo

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    Thanks guys. Thats a big help.
    So if it was a true M38A1 the battery would be inside the cowl? Is that what the cover is on top of the cowl, a access panel?

    So the conclusion is that its a CJ5 frame/running gear with a M38A1 body. Too bad it doesn't have the military grill.
     
  7. Oct 9, 2014
    tymbom

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    Yeah the lid on the cowl is for the battery box. They were 24 volt from the factory. Looks good though. It just depends on what you're gonna do with it if ya buy it. It wouldn't be a good candidate for a restoration, but something to drive around or go wheeling in its fine.
     
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    timgr

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    It's more civilian than military - the M38A1s were Korean war era Jeeps that were completely obsolete by 1966. By 1966, the USA had moved on the Vietnam-era M-151 Mutt as its main light troop carrier http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M151_Truck,_Utility,_l/4-Ton,_4x4

    There may have been Jeeps similar to the M38A1 made for export to foreign military markets in 1966, but they would have looked more like a militarized CJ-5s than like M38A1s.
     
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    PeteL

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    Concur on all of the above. To answer your original questions, no, those are not military tail-lights but they are fitted into the black-out light cavity. Nor is a roll bar original. But yes to 16" wheels on M38A1. And TWO batteries under the cowl.

    Check the frame... for a machine gun mounting plate under the rear floor. And the front frame horns, etc would be boxed/reinforced. Military gas tank will have a very large diameter fill tube deep and extend into a floor well under it for high capacity tank.
     
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    ODBuffalo

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    Thanks again all. On the http://blog.kaiserwillys.com/willys-...-brief-history it doesn't mention that the V6 was a military model.
    Now Im curious about this thing. I guess Ill have to plan a little trip to check it out since the owner doesn't know much about it.

    If it does have the M38 frame is it a better/worth more than a CJ model?

    Maybe Ill point out the M38A1/CJ mash up hodge-podge and try and get a deal.
     
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    Alan28

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    Maybe it is made for an army because I don't see the necessity to transform a cj5 like this. There was if my memory is good some military Jeeps delivered in Egypt in 1978, they were looking like the M38A1. But maybe I don't remind well, I was surprised to see all these cars, it was surprising and i was on a diving trip so not possible to go and take photos.
    There are also local Jeep production.
     
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    timgr

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    Not an M38 frame - that's a different Jeep entirely. An M38A1 frame has some desirable features, but I would not say that it's more valuable than a CJ-5 frame.

    Take some more detailed pictures of it and we can tell more. Jeeps put together from more than one (FrankenJeeps) aren't unusual ...
     
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    FYI - M38 is different than M38A1. We are looking at the M38A1 here. Side-note, the M38A1-C (=155mm recoilless gun, see my avatar) did have an open tail area. No gate was fitted, but it was easy to add one.

    No, V6 would not be military.

    Military frame is beefed up a bit, which is cool, but no really big difference from CJ5. I think condition would count more than model, as to value.
     
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    Mike C

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    The Marines ran the A1 up through '71 I think? There were some other iterations of military jeeps that were a mish mash of CJ5 parts that I think the air force contracted for. But once it's had 2 owners, all bets are off to what it started out as! I don't think the military contract jeeps ever had the V6, but never say never.
     
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    Mike C

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    Canada manufactured A1's through '71. Not sure if they had the V6, but they did get heaters. Standard from 69-71 and retrofitted on some of the earlier ones. Here's a little info about the Canadian A1's.

    http://seanm.ca/m38a1/
     
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    ThePhantom

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    the klaxon horn (ah-ooo-gah!) under the hood doesnt look too military either. lol
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Nope, no V6's. The '71 models did have the M151 air cleaner, there would be holes on the passenger side inner fender for the mount.

    H.
     
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    Ill give you a FWIW on the price.

    My m38a1/cj5 is a good mixture of the two. Body and frame are military, engine and axles are cj5.

    I paid $1000 for mine. Just needed a rebuilt starter and a new coil to get it running.

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    I know there are a lot of other non .mil parts on mine.. just was pointing out some main ones.
     
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