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70 Cj5 Differences In Same Model Year

Discussion in 'Early CJ-5 and CJ-6 Tech' started by Lee Bennett, Mar 13, 2019.

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    Mine 276328, delivered in 70. According to dash plate, wonder how many they made in 70?
     
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    Lee Bennett

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    I think they made around 20,000 a month, that should have your production month of around May 69?
     
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    I doubt very seriously they built 20,000 Jeep cj’s per month in a the 60’s and early 70’s. I’m certain they didn’t build 120,000+ units per year. That would very high production for something as utilitarian as a cj, even back then.
    The month on your dash tag will tell when it was built.
    Yes my 1971 cj5 had the tag riveted on from the factory.
     
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    If you go to the technical index and look under the section for vin and serial number you’ll find that the serial numbers were done in batches rather than consecutive. So the serial numbers tend to be a bit all over from year to year.
    Member Wyoming started a serial number archive on his Dropbox page years ago.

    Dropbox - Vehicle_Indentification.pdf
     
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    70cj5134f

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    Mine has no month, just a 70 year?
    Hears a pic of both? 20K a month sounds high to me also?
    Doesn't really matter how many they made, I own ONE.
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    Check out that octane rating Minimum?
    I have burnt a lot of junk gas drained from customers tanks (mixed 50% or less with good fuel)
    With NO problems!
    Wonder how F-head would perform with 9.5 to 1 compression and high test?
     
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    Lee Bennett

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    My Canadian built 70 CJ5 does not have any tags anywhere with a build date. Guess I will have to look at the frame number. Sorry for the sloppy camera work. ATTACH=full]47592[/ATTACH] WP_20190313_17_39_18_Selfie(1).jpg WP_20190313_17_39_18_Selfie(1).jpg WP_20190313_17_40_07_Selfie.jpg
     
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    Lee Bennett

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    From a chart in the kw parts book, production was 15,000 - 20,000 per year. (CJ5's) My mistake. Doesn't make sense though. Wonder what production numbers were then.
     
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    Ok the big tag on your dash with octane and such means this was probably not sold to the public in 1970 but was rather a forestry service or power company or government owned Jeep.
    A 1970 model sold to the general public should have a yellow sticker on the left of the steering wheel stating serial number month and year build date. The small riveted tag on the outside of the firewall is correct and the rivots are factory.

    The chart I linked to in my above post will give serial number ranges for each year if I remember correctly.
     
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    733F3BEF-D10E-4FDC-BE33-06C74467F3EE.jpeg A Jeep sold to the general public from at least 1967-68 thru 1975 had a sticker similar to this on the dash, left of the column. This is for the USA, not sure about other countries.
     
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    Lee Bennett

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    Wonder if those can be found anywhere. I would like to have one.
     
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    So my cj, with the dash plate was once government owned?
    Damn, they got their nose in too much of my stuff,lol.
    Also got a 1911, stamped gov property ?
     
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    Those brass data plates on the dash are only from vehicles that were originally sourced by the government. Those with the "branch" line filled in usually indicate military service such as Army, Navy, Marine Corps, etc. A blank line there is usually another federal government branch like Dept of Interior, Forest Sevice, Park Service, etc. Sometimes they have the contract number. My '60 Willys Delivery has one of these brass tags.
    I have not seen these tags older than the mid-1950s, and yours is the most recent date of 1970 that I have seen.
    It would be interesting to get more backstory on the range of years these contract tags were used. I have seen them frequently in the late-50s through mid-60's.
    The actual military vehicles like the MB/GPW, M38, and M38a1 have a much more detailed multi-plaque brass data plate on the dash.
    -Donny
     
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    So would the brass plate cjs command a higher value?
    Mine did have a PTO, and was originally a kinda Forrest service med green.
    (Kinda like Interstate green exit signs)
     
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    In my opinion, the brass tag has no bearing on the value. It simply shows the first "owner" was a government agency. How would this affect the value?
    -Donny
     
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    Agree. It could affect the value in that the agency veicles tend to have different (lesser) options than your usual civilian model. For example, agency Wagoneers and Cherokees are often six-cylinder 4-speed models with favorable axle ratios and wind-up windows, which makes them appealing to some buyers. For a CJ, there's not much downmarket potential, so likely no change.
     
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    collectors of gov stuff?
     
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    True military Jeeps command higher prices, especially the Ww2 models, but I don't think there's any particular collector value to a Forest Service or BLM Jeep.
     

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