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Brake Light Switch Replace, To Bleed Or Not To Bleed

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Mr Plow, Aug 8, 2016.

  1. Aug 8, 2016
    Mr Plow

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    Hi All, So, I did a search for non working brake light. All other lights work. So I jumped the two wires going into the Brake switch at the MC and the tail lights went on. It is a brand new dual master cylinder so I am guessing the hydroponic brake switch crapped out. So...
    1. Do I need to bleed the system when replacing (boy would love not too)? Opinions vary wildly on this it seems.
    2. If so then, can you send me to a good youtube vid on how to do it. I have never done one.
    3. Someone mentioned 'Standard' makes a good BLS. Can anyone recommend a well made (post terminal) switch?
    Thanks folks.
    Cheers,
    D
     
  2. Aug 8, 2016
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    I'd pre-fill the switch cavity with fluid, slap my thoumb over the port as soon as the old one comes off & let a little fluid come out before (hurriedly) screwing the new switch in then see how the brake pedal feels..

    H.
     
  3. Aug 8, 2016
    Twin2

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    I have changed mine out over the years and never had to bleed brakes
     
  4. Aug 8, 2016
    Focker

    Focker That's a terrible idea...What time? Staff Member

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    FinoCJ

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  6. Aug 8, 2016
    Mr Plow

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    Ah great idea filling the switch cavity! Thanks for the feedback guys. Is there a good hydrolic brake switch out there? I read on line NAPA wasn't very good nor the summit racing offerings. Kaiser willys is 16 bucks - which I don't care as long as the quality is up to snuff. Thanks again! Puts my mind at ease...
     
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    47v6

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    If your rear brakes are spongy it can cause the switch to not to close contacts and not work. You may want to bleed brakes anyway as a precaution. Filling the switch will not be easy. You need to insert a straw or similar to allow the air to come out as you fill it or a syringe or similar to fill it. There are also different pressure switches that use more or less to close contacts.
     
  8. Aug 8, 2016
    Mr Plow

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    All the drums were serviced when I had the dual MC put in. Springs etc. Serviced or replaced. So they should be fine (I hope). Appreciate the additional info!
     
  9. Aug 10, 2016
    ronnie victor

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    I bought a low-pressure switch from Ron Francis (.com). Thirty bucks, but the brake lights come on without having to 'stand' on the pedal. Only a gentle push..... Worth it, to me anyway
     
  10. Aug 10, 2016
    AKCJ

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    You may be able to get away with not bleeding after replacing the switch but as 47v6 said it would probably be a good idea. Why? Because you may get air in the line when you change the switch. There may be air in there already. It gives you a chance to get some of the old fluid out and get some new fluid in (good maintenance). In this particular case it would give you a bit of practice learning how to bleed brakes (it's not hard to do). Good Luck.
     
  11. Aug 10, 2016
    Focker

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    Couldn't someone lightly push on brakes during the swap? Seems like a great way to avoid getting air in line?
     
  12. Aug 10, 2016
    Glenn

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    Good idea, sure seems like it would work.
     
  13. Aug 12, 2016
    Rick Whitson

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    I put silicone brake fluid in my system when I first built it didn't want any leaks to take the paint off. Well I had some leaks, had to tighten up some connections. What I didn't know is that you cannot go back to regular brake fluid after you put silicone in your system. I went through a brake light switch every year, I went to Ron Francis and bought a silicone brake light switch, problem solved. I never had to bleed my brakes, I learned this from motorcycles with juice brakes, you are so close to the master cylinder that the bubbles will go back into the master cylinder when you let of the brakes, thus no bleeding. It worked for my anyway, more than once, Best of luck what ever you do.
     
  14. Aug 12, 2016
    Mr Plow

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    Thanks guys! I finally found a roll bar and am in the process of getting that back plated and ready for install. I did pick up a Painless 15 dollar switch.
    I did hear that close to the MC does work to your favor. I am going to pre fill switch and try to swap quickly. I may get the jeep serviced in fall due to the upcoming plow season (and with that a brake fluid service). Appreciate the info, huge help!!! I will report back in case anyone else is interested in the results/experience.
    Cheers
     
  15. Aug 13, 2016
    PeteL

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    Flushing the brake fluid is one of those service recommendations that everyone should do, but no one actually does.

    When I do it (rarely) it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling of being very virtuous
     
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    Mr Plow

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    Tell me about it! Hadn't changed it in on of my cars for eons and paid the price. Learned the hard way - gotta keep the water out and brake fluid fresh!
     
  17. Aug 13, 2016
    montanacj

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    I am in need of a new switch for my 55 I may go this route, this looks like the switch

    SW-32 LOW PRESSURE HYDRAULIC BRAKE SWITCH-Ron Francis Wiring
     
  18. Aug 13, 2016
    ronnie victor

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    Indeed, that's the one. But as I see the picture, I'm reminded that no way could I use that wiring connector as substitute for my stock bullet connector brake wire ends. I ended up using rubber protected alligator clips on the switch terminals and female insulated crimp-on to accommodate bullet end of brake wire. (the crimp is for joining to wire with alligator clip)
     
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    47v6

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    I love my speed bleeders. Have them at all 4 corners.
     
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