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different jeep or new engine/tranny?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by unclebill, May 23, 2010.

  1. May 25, 2010
    unclebill

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    it looks like the slug is going to get
    "surgically enhanced"
     
  2. May 27, 2010
    unclebill

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    this is great because i get to keep the slug (which i love)
    without changing the appearance.
    but i will have enough power to make it much more usable.
    if i lived in florida or some other flat place.
    i would just get an overdrive.
     
  3. May 27, 2010
    colojeepguy

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    Even with the V6, you won't be going very fast down the highway without an O/D (I'm betting you've got 5.38's or 4.88's) Having that extra gear, plus the ability to split gears, make all the difference in the world.
     
  4. May 27, 2010
    unclebill

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    it will end up with an overdrive.
    but even without one.
    at least i wont be getting passed by BICYCLES going uphill.
     
  5. May 27, 2010
    Warloch

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    That is one thing I would like to get verified - what gear ratio do you have in your axles? It's going to make a big differance in which direction I am going to point you in for the upgrade... If you don't know how to do it, I am sure some of the guys comming for the trail ride will be able to help you figure it out without pulling the diff covers.
     
  6. May 27, 2010
    jasonjp62

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    Chuck just so I will know what would make the difference in what gear ratio bill has in the way you want to go with the motor and tranny? really interested in this swap, if you don't mind could educate us on this a little more!

    Watching this thread close i'm happy for Bill and the Slug!
     
  7. May 27, 2010
    unclebill

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    well chuck
    i DO still have the small metal tags front and rear.
    they both say
    43-8
    5.38


    that is just how they read on the tag.
     
  8. May 27, 2010
    unclebill

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    for all i know you could tell from these pics. (i took em a long time ago.)
    rear diff
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  9. May 27, 2010
    unclebill

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    milkshake filled front

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  10. May 27, 2010
    jasonjp62

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    yup... you have the 5.38's
    just divide 43 by 8 = 5.375
     
  11. May 27, 2010
    MarkK

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    I have the v6 with 4.88s with a t14 three speed running 10.50X31X15 tires. I dont have any problems at all pulling highway hills at 65mph. Having an officer give you a ticket for going 65 in a 40 is no fun at all, and costs big $$$$ ask me how i know.
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  12. May 27, 2010
    Warloch

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    I don't put alot of stock in the tags - I like to spin the wheels or see the stamp on the ring gear. I have been 'surprised' more than once relying on the tags.

    For Jason - The question of the axle ratio goes with the whole gearing issue. I use a spreadsheet that I can put different tranny ratios, axle ratios, OD or Not, even Tcase ratios to get the crawl ratio for what you would be running.

    Example - If Bill had 3.73 axles with the T98 his ratios would be 58, 28, 15, 9 in low range. A combo of a T14 with 5.38s would be 41, 34, 13... Factor in the 'gear' a person runs the most on trails and if they use 2nd on the T98, 2nd on the T14 would be close with 5.38s (34) 1st with 4.88s would be (38 ) and 4.27s would be (32)...

    Those numbers can be a real factor in how much $$$ you spend on a swap as a T14 combo can be had for a song, provide the gearing needed on the Mt roads, meet some peoples needs for wheeling (if that was the case). You can then broaden out what your looking for in a drive train and if you save money on the tranny swap, spend it on an OD if you want. Its all about balance.

    To Bill's point, it's Moot as he likes the crawl he gets with 1st gear, and if he already has 5.38s then I need to make sure he keeps the same low end he likes when he wheels. This then means that the OD is going to be a 'must' if he wants to run higher speeds, and I need to match it with the tire size to get good power pulling hills and slow speeds on the trails.

    This is what my years lead me to 'my' perfect setup of the SM465, 4.88s, and OD on 33s. It fits how I wheel and drive the roads.
     
  13. May 28, 2010
    colojeepguy

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    5.38's with a T98 would be a very low clawl ratio-do you actually use that 1st gear-low range combo much? If not, I wonder if a set of 3.73's coupled with the granny gear 4 spd would be adequate for your needs? You could probably pick up 2 3.73 axles for a lot less than an O/D is gonna cost.
     
  14. May 28, 2010
    unclebill

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    it has to have ridiculous low 1st and overdrive.;)
    those are my prerequisites.
    with my current gearing.
    i walk a lot faster than the slug goes in 1st.
    and yes i use it.
    i like never having to use my brakes.
     
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  15. May 28, 2010
    unclebill

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    i found this online.
    i will try it.
    Jack up the rear axle and support it with jack stands. Put the transmission in neutral and then rotate the rear drive shaft by hand. While turning, count the number of drive shaft revolutions required for one revolution of the tire
     
  16. May 28, 2010
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    under rear axles in our tech section ;)

    How do I tell what ratio my axles have?

    Jack up rear end, mark drive shaft with chalk, rotate tires 2 full turns while countings number of times the chalk rotates. Unless you have a locker of some sort.

    Look for a tag on the differential that has numbers like 43-11, 43/11=3.90 Gears (Example!!!!)

    Take the differential cover off and look at the ring gear, it will have the same numbers as the tag stamped on it.
    Jim
     
  17. May 29, 2010
    unclebill

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    jim
    i have a confession to make.
    i havent used to tech section since the site got hacked.
    for the longest time there was nothing in there pertaining to my (many) searches when i would look.
    i hereby promise to start using it more.
     
  18. May 29, 2010
    colojeepguy

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    That would be my choice too. I went from 3.73's to 5.38's to 4.88's,(with O/D) and I'm pretty happy with how it drives overall. Someday I'll find a deal on a 4spd and get rid of the T90, but for now it works OK. Be aware that with 5.38's you're still gonna be revving pretty high at highway speed even with the O/D. Check out www.ringpinion.com/Calc_RPM.aspx
     
  19. May 29, 2010
    unclebill

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    i understand that.
    all i am trying to achieve here is not being a traffic hazard by going 20mph uphill.
    yesterday on the hill to work i was in 3rd gear going 22mph on a 6% grade.
    and that is unacceptable.
     
  20. May 29, 2010
    Warloch

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    One thing I am going to look a real close is the drive train I bought for the Blue '49. It's a '63 frame with the V6, T98, D18 and OD in it. There are 2 adaptor plates between the motor and the tranny and I know Greg had the clutch done custom for it. If there is any way possible, it might be cheaper to follow what is in it with the install for Bill. Cost for a T 18 is $600 and up around here, and that is without the adaptor and such. Might be much more cost effective to have a machine shop do a one off plate based on the measurements I have on the other setup.
     
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