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Muzikp's Sometimes Driveable Build

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by Muzikp, Aug 11, 2017.

  1. Dec 8, 2017
    tarry99

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    Controlling heat can be about throttling the pedal on light gauge material like .060 but when welding .125 and above I've found timing and moving consistently along the seam while keeping the puddle moving and dipping filler rod into the puddle is what its all about. Torch angle is also important to keep the right amount of heat at the weld zone while also pre-heating the filler rod in front of the puddle so that it flows into the puddle when dipped......... correct sized filler also helps in flow , too small and it melts , too big and doesn't flow...........once you have complete flow & fusing going on........... the issue with leaks will go away............
     
  2. Dec 9, 2017
    Muzikp

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    Got my gas cap, gas gauge, and some threaded bungs.

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  3. Dec 31, 2017
    Muzikp

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    The best way to eat up your free time is to be a guitar player at your church during the holidays ;)

    I celebrated my 15 year anniversary at the company I work for, as a gift they gave me a $500 gift card to Woodcraft, to which my wife replied "well that's going to cost us $1,000". She was close, I got a new bandsaw which meant a major shop reorg to get it to fit.

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    Here it is next to my old tired one. The old one is old in the not good way.

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    When I made book matched guitar tops on the old one I would remove all the guards and the table (yes it was sketchy) and could barely get a 7" board through it. I made that yellow table which was almost an inch lower than the original. 7" is fine for a Fender style guitar but a large Gibson style 335 body is too wide to book match those tops. This new saw has a 13" resaw height and soooo much more powerful. It's really nice.

    So I have been making small bits of progress on my gas tank here and there. I got to the point where it was actually a tank minus the filler neck.

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    But...

    I didn't like how tight it fit into the Jeep. After welding it was touching on 3 sides and was just really snug in the tub. I decided I wanted a little more room where it wouldn't rub on the tub and squeak or rattle or whatever. So I cut 1/2" off the end.

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    Which was sad since I had come so far. But it fits much better now and I'm happy with the deciion.

    Got the filler neck on, added the leak resistant vent to the filler neck and welded the bung on for the return thing.

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    Now I need to weld on some mounting tabs and figure out the polyurethane bushings it will sit on in the tub.
     
  4. Dec 31, 2017
    Focker

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    Very nice.
     
  5. Dec 31, 2017
    ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

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    Sweet tank. Well done.

    Sweet saw!
    Now you can hook up a gear reduction to your old one and get a metal blade for it to fab jeep parts!!
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  6. Dec 31, 2017
    Muzikp

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    Funny you mention that. What do you think about putting a router speed controller on the old one?
     
  7. Dec 31, 2017
    ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

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    Try it!
    If you can't find metal blades that size, these guys will make whatever you need. I'm spoiled... they're only a few miles from here. They have a little counter set up in the corner of the shop for walk-ins.

    SuperCut Bandsaw Co., Inc.
     
  8. Dec 31, 2017
    Oldriginal86

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    Looking very nice. Have two questions that I’m sure youve addressed. Do you have the wriggle room to get the fill neck through the grommet? Second is the sump going to interfere. With the trans or driveline?
     
  9. Dec 31, 2017
    Muzikp

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    I also have some drill press variable speed gear things, those might work. Is that what you meant by doubler?
     
  10. Dec 31, 2017
    Muzikp

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    Yeh it slides in nicely. I actually tacked the filler neck on while it was in the Jeep so I could make sure it was centered perfect. The tank is designed to slide in with the passenger side high, that puts the filler neck thru the hole nicely and allows the sump to fall right down thru the hole in the floor. No interference with anything underneath, there is actually so much room for the sump that I couldn’t decide where to put it, not typically the case with these Jeeps, seems like I’m always wondering how to make something fit instead of where should I put it. So there’s a really long answer to a short question :)
     
  11. Dec 31, 2017
    Muzikp

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    Also, the new band saw is two speed, I can’t recall the speeds tho. But I feel like the new one should be dedicated to the guitars, I dont want oils and metal shavings all over it, oils are brutal on lacquer finishes, and metal shavings are brutal with scratches to instrument grade woods.
     
  12. Dec 31, 2017
    ITLKSEZ

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    I always keep half an eye out for old cheap bandsaws to convert to metal use. They're never cheap though. :mad:

    As long as your old saw motor isn't direct drive, you could just make a new motor mount and fabricate a jack shaft out of pulleys and pillow block bearings from a tractor store. Or use those drill press parts. You want a pretty slow blade speed for steel.

    Good heavens, don't run metal through your new saw! :shock::D
     
  13. Dec 31, 2017
    Muzikp

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    Ok the old saw already has a 1725 rpm motor, here's the rest of the setup. It already has about a small of pulley you can get in the motor and about a big as one you can get on the wheel.

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    I could probably get a slightly smaller pulley on the motor and slightly larger pulley on the wheel but not enough to slow it down for metal work. I could maybe take the external box that protects the upper pulley off and put a huge pulley on there, but anything that fell off the back of the table would fall right into the pulley, so that's no bueno.

    Have you ever used a router speed controller for something like this? It works on small hobby style lathes, used for winding wire on guitar pickups at a slower pace, seems like it should work on the saw as well. My only concern would be the blade just stopping since it won't have much torque, maybe that's a good thing.
     
  14. Dec 31, 2017
    Muzikp

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    My Google says no on the speed controller :n:.

    I have a mechanical gear reduction thing tho. How do I make this work? Looks like I could get some pretty good reduction with this.

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    Seems like I just run as big a pulley possible on this side (above).

    Then on this side (below) remove that ugly pirate sheep steering wheel gear and put as small a pulley as possible on there, then up to the band saw wheel from there. Don't need the shaft in front with the chain on it.
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    I guess if I used the shaft in front I could get a 3 stage reduction before going to the band saw wheel. Build a new base and I sorta see how this could come together fairly easily. Hmmmm....
     
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  15. Dec 31, 2017
    ITLKSEZ

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    Do it!!!

    What the heck is that thing from? Looks awesome.
     
  16. Dec 31, 2017
    cadwelder

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    Looks kind of like an industrial roll-up door opener.
     
  17. Dec 31, 2017
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    I bought a beat up 20" Davis and wells bandsaw for 500 bucks on C/L. I put all new bearings in it, rebuilt the 3 phase motor, rewired it, painted it pretty and it worked pretty well.
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    I bought a gear reduction/electric motor to convert to metal, but I never did. Even if you feed the metal real slow, it burns up the blade. The metal will also wreck your bandsaw for wood, pretty much forever.
    Honestly, buying a harbor freight metal bandsaw is not a terrible idea. Buying a Doall is an even better idea.
     
  18. Jan 1, 2018
    Muzikp

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    Yep, exactly what that is
     
  19. Jan 1, 2018
    Muzikp

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    The ability to have a good bandsaw capable of doing decent metal work could lead to a brave new guitar world for me. These things have become very popular.

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    I'm probably willing to spend a day or two on making the saw but I'm not willing to spend a lot of $$$ on one at this point. I am a bit concerned about what Chris mentioned tho, I can see chewing thru blades like crazy. My daughter's robotics program buys the blade in 200' lengths and cuts and welds them together, it's about 50% cheaper that way but not sure I have the tools needed for that.

    I'll sit on the idea for a day or two and see how motivated I get to attempt it. I need to look for some video's of people using converted saws, that usually gets me inspired to take action.
     
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  20. Jan 1, 2018
    Muzikp

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    Wow! Those Davis and Wells saws are expensive, must be nice. You still have yours?
     
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