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My 44 Limited Slip, Slipping Too Much?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by 70cj5134f, Mar 1, 2019.

  1. Mar 1, 2019
    70cj5134f

    70cj5134f Member

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    The tires now bite pretty good. In mud both wheeles dig. But on rock, if one tire gets in some mud or something slick, sometimes only 1 wheel spins.
    I bought the carrier used, a couple years ago from a jeep shop .
    I did add the additive for limited slip rears.
    Is it time for a rebuild?
    Where to buy parts?
    I've set up gears before, but never built a posi carrier?
    Is it a bad job? Any special tools required?
    Thanks.
     
  2. Mar 1, 2019
    Keys5a

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    What limited slip do you have in there? TracLok, PowrLok, lunchbox locker? You've got to know what your working with.
    -Donny
     
  3. Mar 1, 2019
    FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

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    What type of LSD did you buy? Is your D44 the 30sline one piece axles (flanged) or the 19 spline tapered? My 1970 came with the 30spline version, and while that was nice OEM improvement, the 30spline came with the almost useless Trac Loc LSD as opposed to the highly regarded Powr Lok in the 19spline.
     
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  4. Mar 1, 2019
    ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

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    It probably does need a rebuild, but an LSD has definite limitations (until you rebuild it so tight it acts more like a spool and you lose the benifits of the LSD). My $.02, if you're expecting it to perform like a locker, swap it out for a locker.
     
  5. Mar 1, 2019
    timgr

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    A '70 with flanged axles came with the TracLock optional. They were never very aggressive to start (they are nice on the street), and they wear out pretty fast. You can rebuild them with new plates and make them a lot better, but they will never operate like a locker. That's the definition of limited slip - it will slip if one wheel is in the air. Some are better than others, but none will operate like a locker (selectable or not) and deliver power to one side when the opposite wheel is hanging.
     
  6. Mar 1, 2019
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    One way to overcome that situation is to hit the brake pedal...hard.
    Quick hard jabs will make the unit drive the other wheel.
    Yes, it's not always possible in certain situations... 3 pedals and only 2 feet.
     
  7. Mar 1, 2019
    FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

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    hand throttle has helped me with this....allows for one foot on brake, and one letting out clutch while still keeping the throttle up enough
     
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    ITLKSEZ

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    Swap that cutting brake to the rear. :whistle:
     
  9. Mar 1, 2019
    70cj5134f

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    D44, 30 SPLINE, 1 piece.
     
  10. Mar 2, 2019
    Keys5a

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    That likely would be a TracLock, unless someone has swapped something else since new.
    New frictions and steels are available to rebuild that.
    -Donny
     
  11. Mar 2, 2019
    70cj5134f

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    I bought the posi carrier used from our local jeep shop.
    Mine was open diff when I got it.
    All he ask was my gear ratio.
    Can I id it by pulling the cover, to order the right kit?
    What do I look for to id?
    It was a true drop in install. I was prepared to reset the gear teeth pattern, but it was dead on.
     
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  12. Mar 2, 2019
    Keys5a

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    The shape of the case will tell what you have. If you open it up and get a view (photo) of the case just inboard of the ring gear, we should be able to identify what you have. The TracLocks sometimes have the name cast in the side where the ring gear bolts go in from.
    -Donny
     
  13. Mar 2, 2019
    timgr

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    A TracLock is easy to identify from a picture.

    [​IMG]

    Open differential on the left, TracLock LSD on the right.
     
  14. Mar 2, 2019
    70cj5134f

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    Since mine was a drop in, and came from another jeep 44 donar, what else could it be?
    If I could order the correct parts before I pull the cover, it would save me down time?
    It was an oem , out of a customer of the jeep shop, who upgraded to a locker.
     
  15. Mar 2, 2019
    timgr

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    I would not assume that the shop installed the TracLock. Lots of Jeeps have aftermarket LSDs or lockers installed, and the donor could have been one of those. I would take the cover off and look, and then post a picture if I weren't sure.
     
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    ITLKSEZ

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    If you want to test how bad it is, jack up the rear end with it in gear and spin a tire by hand. If it's not worn out, it won't spin, or not easily at least. If it is worn out, it will spin one way while your other wheel spins the other way.

    If it only goes one way but not the other and clicks, you have a locker... but it would have to be nearly destroyed to have the symptoms you described.
     
  17. Mar 2, 2019
    70cj5134f

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    Just now did a break away test? One wheel off ground, tranny in N, guess it takes bout 20lbs force to turn tire?
    No clicking or any other noise?
    I'll pull cover soon and pic.
    Ps-what both my other limited slips, 1 amc 20, 1 Gm 12 bolt, both so tight I can't break away by hand. Bet this one's wore out?
    Thanks
     
  18. Mar 2, 2019
    nickmil

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    You need
    To
    Determine
    What traction aiding Device you have before moving forward. You are asking people to guess based on incomplete information. Once people know what you have then better advice can be forthcoming.
     
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  19. Mar 3, 2019
    70cj5134f

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    Don't c any markings on carrier?
    Can see edge of clip that holds the clutch pack in place? 15516376619681101462417.jpg 1551637730908189385485.jpg
     
  20. Mar 3, 2019
    ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

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    That's a trac lok. Google for rebuild videos. It's easy, but there's a process.
     
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