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President Red Paint Ratios???

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by durk, Dec 11, 2019.

  1. Jan 7, 2020
    Dave Deyton

    Dave Deyton Member

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    Helps to see the colors. This gives the codes for cross reference. Thanks.
    That Spruce Tip Green Poly is a cool color.
    Mine was originally president Red.

    Dave
     
  2. Jan 7, 2020
    sterlclan

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    The boys is spruce tip green.
     
  3. Jan 7, 2020
    durk

    durk Member

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    Funny how that red changes under real sunlight. I guess that why pros use that sun gun. Thanks for pics. I got a lot of info to take to Sw auto paints, what I’m really trying to get is the recipe....the weights of the different toners. And say to the paint guy “here’s the weights mix it up slacker”. Jobber real just only wants mix for collision stuff uhh. My gallon of red is like a burden to him. Brutal.
     
  4. Jan 7, 2020
    sterlclan

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    the color really changes when under a streetlamp, i can spot a repainted silver car a mile away in the parking lot at night.
     
  5. Jan 24, 2020
    durk

    durk Member

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    lol... why is it so difficult to get president red mixed up?? I went in napa /cmax and gave paint counter guy code 71334, 70549 and 71637 and he could not find any of those ppg codes. Wouldn't napa/cmax computer data base be standardized across the board? How are resorters getting president red mixed with out using the spectrum gun jobbie?? UHHH
     
  6. Jan 24, 2020
    teletech

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    So this is interesting to me. I have another car in a color that is simply unobtainable. I didn't understand why when it got repainted they got the tone off so much despite obviously going for the same general color. It seems that tints are made of a single particular material (so it doesn't separate in the rack) and that when that becomes unobtainable the major players just move on rather than come up with a new formula for a car that is scarce enough that there is no financial incentive for them to try to replicate.
    I have the same gap in my 1994 fiche, none of your colors come up.
    Hence your pain with your Jeep and why my Saab 99 is VW brown.

    It is worth noting the spectrum gun doesn't spit out an exact formula, but rather compares those color values with those in the database and chooses the closest existing formula.
    I fear you are going to have to tint your own or have it done for you if you want to get close. If it's any consolation, it's way harder with metallics. :-\
    At this point I think your best bet is a "tinting guide". It's just a wall-poster or glossy paper sheet with a color pallet with markers for where each tint is located, then you find your color and triangulate it between it's nearest tints. You will need the tint guide specific to the paint system you want to use of course.

    If you are going to play with tints and want to do it up right I suggest using a scale that measures grains (reloading scale), that way you can mix up a test batch and just by changing to grams you get a 15X multiplication. I've been mixing a lot of ~1OZ batches on one to get what I need. If you happen to go with PPG Concept or Deltron I'm happy to help with small quantities of toners to play with. If you just want to be done, then grab a color chip book, get some of something close, and add a little tint to match. A local shop said when he had to do a dead match on a fire truck, it might take him 40 spray cards before he gets the color so close he can't see or measure a difference.

    It's taken me six months and a couple grand to be able to get even close, of course I bought a lot of color books, an auto-paint scale, mixing rack, etc. and am working on several cars all at the same time. I wish you better luck. :)
     
  7. Jan 24, 2020
    durk

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    Teltec so much for the in-depth back ground info on paints. I guess I’ll have to way out the options you have presented... thanks man
     
  8. Jan 25, 2020
    sterlclan

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    find a decent paint shop the mixing guy should have a clue and could help.
     
  9. Aug 15, 2022
    MeRocc

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    I know this is an old thread, but I’m just “climbing into the boat”, and wondering where everyone went. Was there ever any “good” resolution to the question? Did anyone come up with a recipe for something that is close enough, and available? I went to the paint shop and they shot the underside of my Jeep, the only place with the original color, and said they could get close but no guarantees. Just curious how the OP made out.
     
  10. Aug 24, 2022
    durk

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    Lol… yah I got a gallon, still haven’t shot it yet I had to take glove box door in and they matched it to factory inside door paint and used sun gun…. Very close. The original ppg lacquer paint mix was too impossible for 3 shops to convert into urethane. I think they did a good job on the mix ratio! I think they spotted a mix label on can… that’s long time ago.
     
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