Locally there was a 8274 i was looking at on FB. The price was high but it came down, then again. Then finally it came into the price range that i was comfortable with. Ended up buying it earlier this week but got to his house for pickup today. For the price it already had the synthetic rope. And i am goin to sell off the stinger bumper/mount because i dont need it and I do not like that style. Now it gets to sit on the shelf with the Bellvue and i wait for the right jeep project comes in so i can put it on something.