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Ring And Pinion With Mismatched Numbers

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by johnsotd, Apr 23, 2017.

  1. johnsotd

    johnsotd Member

    what will happen if I run a front axle with mismatched ring and pinion numbers?
     
  2. oldtime

    oldtime oldtime

    Really not much telling.
    They may possibly match up near perfect.
    But you should also accept that the service life may be severely compromised.
     
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  3. Twin2

    Twin2 not him 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    for example are you referring to gear ratio
    4:88 front & 5:88 rear
    it will run in 2WD only
    1"st time in 4WD something is going to explode
     
  4. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    I was wondering if he meant that or a r & p that isn't a matched set.
     
  5. timgr

    timgr We stand on the shoulders of giants. 2022 Sponsor

    This is what I understood from the question... but he could mean mismatched axles ...
     
  6. wheelie

    wheelie beeg dummy 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor

    I was thinking he meant say....a 4.88 ring gear and a maybe a 4.27 pinion gear. Not really sure. I would think that even a used pinion from the same gear ratio that is not the one that ran with the original ring gear (4.27 pinion gear from one axle and 4.27 ring gear from another) may eventually have some wear issues. Might get them set up and looking okay but, since they aren't a matched set, they may wear prematurely......if you can get them to pattern well in the first place.

    This is pure speculation on my part. I am not gear head and I did not sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
     
  7. johnsotd

    johnsotd Member

    Both gear ratio's are 5.88. The R&P are not a matched set. When I opened the differential
    the wear pattern actually looked good. I will try to post a photo.
     
  8. Rich M.

    Rich M. Shoe salesman 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Front axle , run it dont worry.
     
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  9. timgr

    timgr We stand on the shoulders of giants. 2022 Sponsor

    This would be my thinking too. Duty cycle is so low on the front axle, you'll get away with it.
     
  10. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Don't feel bad, it never helped me either. :D
     
  11. 1960willyscj5

    1960willyscj5 Well-Known Member

    5.88? or 5.38?
     
  12. johnsotd

    johnsotd Member

    Sorry, 5.38
     
  13. oldtime

    oldtime oldtime

    Yeah that's what I think.
    Run it as is.
    So long as the ratios are identical its mostly O.K.
    Mismatched R+P may not be ideal but it really depends on how well the gear tooth face angles mesh up.
    Prussian blue will reveal the true fit.
    Heck I've seen supposedly matched R+P that did not match very well according to the prussian blue.
    It will get noisy if its not happy.
     
  14. 1960willyscj5

    1960willyscj5 Well-Known Member

    Just don't run it on dry asphalt.
     
  15. johnsotd

    johnsotd Member

    I will install and check contact pattern.
     
  16. nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

    If they are already installed and no issues I would probably continue to run them. I would never intentionally install mismatched ring and pinion gears as it is a lot of work and too much to go wrong by rolling the dice on it.
     
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  17. johnsotd

    johnsotd Member

    The gears were used in a complete axle that I bought. I don't know the history but the teeth on both R&P looked good but there was some slack somewhere (maybe in the spider gears) but the backlash on the ring gear felt like it was in spec. I did not find out about the mismatched R&P until I tore it down to clean it up and check the bearings. I just set the pinion bearing preload and will try to check the gear mesh pattern tomorrow.
     
  18. Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

    Just as a bit of information. Ring and Pinions are not made as a set. They are made to a tolerance in large batches. They are matched so to speak by checking to a known standard and then marked and matched together buy the fit based on the tolerances. Any 2 gears could in theory be used so long as the wear is not excessive, front axles don't get used much so there easier than a set for the rear drive gears.
     
  19. johnsotd

    johnsotd Member

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    Here are photos of the contact pattern. The ring gear backlash is .003.
    What do you think?
    Thanks
     
  20. nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

    True, they are not manufactured as a set, but they are lapped together on machinery. that's why it's important to make sure the numbers match and why they number match them to begin with.