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Sm420 T Dana 18 Plate Adapter?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Mr Vaughan, Feb 8, 2021.

  1. Why can't there be a 7/8" adapter for the sm420? if they can do it with an sm465, why can't they do it with an sm420? i don't want to have to either move my transmission/engine forward or modify driveshafts. the sm465 adapter is $30 more, and is only 7/8" thick, with a new output shaft. is it not possible to make a new output shaft for a 420, or what?
     
  2. timgr

    timgr We stand on the shoulders of giants. 2022 Sponsor

    Probably does not make economic sense to make such a kit for the SM420. Call Novak and ask them.
     
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  3. 47v6

    47v6 junk wrecker! 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Its because the front yoke for the D18 won't clear the transmission case.
     
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  4. it all makes sense now.
     
  5. 47v6

    47v6 junk wrecker! 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Yeah, its annoying, but it just doesn't fit unless it has that offset. BTW, don't ever make decisions based upon driveshafts. These are really easy to fabricate or have made for a reasonable cost compared to the insane amounts of compromise to keep them.

    Also, the SM420 hasn't been made since 67 commercially or for the military for some applications until 85 or so. There are other transmissions that have more parts available that are similarly qualified such as a T18.

    There are real problems getting the correct synchros for whatever era 420 you get. The early ones like mine don't even have a front seal, so you're going to leak gear oil if you're downward to any great degree.

    A 465 is a better GM choice, but its enormous.
     
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  6. yeah.
    i'm afraid that i can't take off much of the rear without causing issues, as there's not much extra driveshaft.
     
  7. Rich M.

    Rich M. Shoe salesman 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Listen to me..the international version has a few quirks mostly related to bellhousing mounting. All the guts fit into a common Ford T18 case. If you are fortunate it's a low first T19. The adapter works for T18/T19 either way the price is right.
    Philadelphia
    Haggle to $100
     
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  8. don't see what you posted rich, the post is gone. a t18/19 might work
     
  9. one more thing that might not work with the T18: i wanna put a 4.3 in. don't know if it bolts up to a GM engine, but if not, that puts a stop on it.
     
  10. timgr

    timgr We stand on the shoulders of giants. 2022 Sponsor

  11. Fireball

    Fireball Well-Known Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

  12. timgr

    timgr We stand on the shoulders of giants. 2022 Sponsor

    Ha! There's an echo in here!
     
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  13. Fireball

    Fireball Well-Known Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Rats. I was too slow!
     
  14. where do i get a ford T18? if it's cheaper, and fits better, i'm all for it.
     
  15. Fireball

    Fireball Well-Known Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Ford 3/4 ton or up pickups from the mid 60's up into the 80's. Doesn't matter if it's a 2wd or 4wd. The adapter will work with either.
     
  16. boopiejones

    boopiejones I can’t drive 55

    My Jeep has an sm420 with a d18. It was installed by the prior owner, but I have some of his old documentation including his measurements for the driveshaft. Let me know if you are interested in any of that and I’ll see what I can dig up.
     
  17. 47v6

    47v6 junk wrecker! 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    The front driveshaft on all old jeeps are worn out. The splines moving back and forth wear out the slip yoke and splines till they wobble real good and get out of balance on 4 high. Making a new driveshaft for the front is a piece of cake. Buy the parts, some DOM, clock them right, tack, temp install to true it up and weld it. It’s pretty easy.
     
  18. garage gnome

    garage gnome ECJ5 welder

    Yes, a T18 can be adapted by using junkyard parts. You'll need a Ford input shaft, which can be bought new off Ebay. If you find a Jeep T18, it will have the transfer case adapter already. If you can't find a large hole D18, you can put D18 guts in a D20 case.
     
  19. Bigdaddy13

    Bigdaddy13 Member

    I could use this info. I’m also running a 198 v6 (i think thats what you’re running?).

    thanks!
     
  20. Rich M.

    Rich M. Shoe salesman 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

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