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75 CJ dyin goin uphill!

Discussion in 'Intermediate CJ-5/6/7/8' started by zila, Feb 9, 2005.

  1. Feb 9, 2005
    zila

    zila I throw poop

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    My 75 Cj5 has decided to be ornery and now cuts out or dies going up hill, on pavement, almost like it's starving for fuel. It starts right back up though and then runs rough a gain..It also sems to run better cold. I thought it was the fuel line running on top of the manfold getiing hot and vapor locking.. I replaced/re-routed and still persists.. Also installed a new fuel filter.. Any ideas as to where to look next??

    304, with a 2BBl Holle carb, and factory Electronic ignition.
     
  2. Feb 9, 2005
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Fuel pump may be the culprit. Often they work OK on flat ground, or no load condition, even OK to rev. But put a load on it, like going up a hill...and it sputters and dies.

    Could be other things too, but if you aren't sure when it was replaced last, I'd throw a pump at it and see what happens.
     
  3. Feb 9, 2005
    timgr

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    Holley! The Holleys are notorious for stalling at certain attitudes. Check the archives.

    Re the fuel pump, see how much fuel it pumps - put the outlet into a jar and time how long it takes to fill. There's a spec... There's also a spec for pressure. Either that or just replace it - they aren't expensive, and if that isn't the problem, you'll have a spare.
     
  4. Feb 9, 2005
    littlewolf

    littlewolf New Member

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    Check float setting, when it gets in a angle if not set rite it will starve for fuel.
     
  5. Feb 9, 2005
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    and the specs would be.......
    volume test- one quart of fuel in 60 seconds or less, at 500 RPM
    vacuum test- at least 10" of vac at 500 RPM with hose from pump to carb disconnected for max pump capacity
    pressure test- 5 to 6.5 PSI at 500 RPM, with length of hose to press gauge not to exceed 6" in length
     
  6. Feb 9, 2005
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    there is also a "sock" type mesh screen filter over the fuel pick up tube inside the fuel tank; the pickup tube is part of the sending unit; if all else fails, dropping the tank, removing the sender, and visually checking/replacing this filter might be an option.
    NOTE: this filter is 2 3/4" long; if you choose to remove it, you shorten the overall length of the pick up tube; this means you will run out of gas sooner than the gauge indicates, as it cannot pick up near the bottom of the tank, FYI
    of course, as with any Jeep, a PO may have already performed this task
     
  7. Feb 9, 2005
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    ...and if your vacuum test shows high pump readings, higher than what is listed, this could be the culprit as the pump is straining against the restricted filter
     
  8. Feb 9, 2005
    timgr

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  9. Feb 9, 2005
    jtgroover

    jtgroover Its a Jeep alright

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    Could also be Timing, Would Break out a light and CHeck the timing First
     
  10. Feb 9, 2005
    kcjeep

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    I had the very same thing happen to me with a '71 a couple of years ago. I tried everything...the problem was one piece of fuel line had a small hole and was sucking in air. So, I suggest that you replace ALL the flexible fuel line.
     
  11. Feb 10, 2005
    schardein

    schardein Low Range Therapy

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    On a 350 chevy I had similar problems, after much work, it turned out the pump casting was porous and under a load a stream of fuel would shoot out of the side of the pump and hit the exhaust!!!!! The hole wasn't visible with the naked eye. Probably one if a million, a buddy found it while I was revving the engine in the driveway.
    Maybe replace the pump (fairly cheap) and keep the other as a spare if it is isn't the problem.
     
  12. Feb 10, 2005
    zila

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    Thanx for all the help adn suggetions.. So far i have only made it worse! I opened up the Holley and replaced the Power Valve, and the associated gaskets.. Now, i am exremely rich and the garage stinks of gas. The wife aint too happy about the smell.. I'll continue this weekend and let ya know when I find the problem..
     
  13. Feb 21, 2005
    zila

    zila I throw poop

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    Ok, if you're interested I found out why my jeep ran too rich after I replaced the PV and the metering block gasket.. I went to the HOLLEY site and found in the tech section a note about the metering gaskets.. Seems there's 2 different ones.. The one I had is probly the wrong one allowing the vacuum to bypass the PV.. Thus the PV flows fuel all the time.. NAPA was closed this PM, so tomorrow I am going to try and get the correct part.. If it werks I'm back where I started originally..
     
  14. Feb 21, 2005
    maxx

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    Dont forget the filters, not just the one in the tank. It certainly sounds like fuel starvation.
     
  15. Feb 21, 2005
    zila

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    Filters are next, but I pulled the fuel line and ran it into a can.. The pump was putting out plenty of fuel.. Afterwards the engine ran great for a minute , then started doin the hoochi koo.. I replaced the gasket with the proper one, but still it acts rich.. Black smoke etc.. , won't idle.. I'll keep looking.. Thanx for al the suggestions.
     
  16. Feb 23, 2005
    USMCCOMM

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    I had the same problem with my 1980 cj5 w/ carter 2 barrell. I was told to go with weber 2 barrell and that would stop my problem. It completly stopped it. I would definetly recommened going with the weber carb.
     
  17. Oct 15, 2005
    bweis

    bweis Jeepless...and NOT Happy

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    I had the same issue with my 72 CJ5 (4 BBL Holley) at French Lick this weekend (Jeep Jamboree). Just dying going up the inclines. Made for a terribly frustrating day :mad: (not even mentioning the shock i broke off...). Had to pack it in after only one day and headed back. I was hoping to find the silver bullet in this thread :?

    Replaced my filter (a couple weeks ago) and pump is pushing through plenty of fuel.
     
  18. Oct 29, 2005
    zila

    zila I throw poop

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    Wel I finally got it repaired.. Of all things it had a load of water in the tank.. I drained the tank, and ended up replacing all the fuel lines, filter, etc.. Then installed new fresh fuel.. End of problem.. Thanx for replying..
     
  19. Oct 29, 2005
    w3srl

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    Don't feel bad, you're in good company. I doubt if any of us have HAVEN'T had a similar situation a time or two where we threw a lot of parts at a problem, only to find that the answer was something minor. Live & learn.

    (Oh, and did I mention hide the checkbook from the wife for a while? :) )
     
  20. Oct 31, 2005
    lynn

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    Zila, glad you found your problem. And I'm also glad you chose to post your finding... it just may be that water in the fuel is causing my problem as well, and I wasn't thinking along those lines until I read your post and solution. Since that's the easiest thing to try on my rig (and some other things seem to point to it) I'm going to go after it this week with fresh gas and a bottle of DryGas and see what happens...
    Again, glad you found the problem, and thanks for posting! :beer:
     
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