Questions about the starter and the engine

Ok i just bought a jeep and it is a 1976 CJ-5 and it actually has only 37,XXX miles on it since it has been sitting in the weather all of its life and i picked it up for $900 at the forestrey place. It has alot of body damage because of the weather and all. My question is that i bought and install a new sparkplugs, coil, ignition module bolted to the steeing wheel under the dash and a silonid. The starter will only engage for a few seconds and then it whins like hell. I had the starter pulled and tested and it was ok. This only happens when i am out in the middle of no where or have used it for several hours. The only way i can get the starter to engage is by throughing it up into gear and let it start up that way i know it is hard on the starter but it works. The other question is that it just started to ideal rough and it is pissing me off since i think it is hitting on four cylinders. I dont know if the sparkplug wires are not in the right place and i was wondering if any one had a diagram of it. It is a straight six. I live in Truth or Consequences, NM if anyone leaves around there. Thanks

Steffen Sparks

 

Check the starter solenoid. These often get hot and have that happen when they are going out.

 

I replaced the starter solenoid from autozone and bought the best one they have. Any other ideas. Thanks

Steffen Sparks

 

what did the teeth look like on the starter drive? okay ?
then you need to check the flywheel and make sure no bad spots on it, tooth wise
only other idea is bad/weak starter drive

 

The flywheel and the starter teeth are perfect. It is just that it cranks over for like a second and if it does not start it will like disengage with the engine and the start will turn over. Thanks for the replies

Steffen Sparks

 

could be inside starter then
starter/bendix drive problem
fork problem
etc

 

The engine just started to ideal rough like it is running on 4 to five cylinders and lost its horsepower and i checked all the sparkplug wires and they are working and i just replace the coil with a brand new one and the sparks are new as well. I think the spark plug wires are on different post so i would need a diagram. Thanks

Steffen Sparks

 

I thought about the bendix on the starter but i had auto zone test the start on a nice read out and it passed all four or five test so what else you think it is. Also can so one please send me a sparkplug wire diagram to show where the sparkplug wires go where. Thanks

Steffen Sparks

 

The firing order should be cast into the intake manifold. According to Hayes the firing order of all AMC inline 6 engines is 1 5 3 6 2 4. The cylinders are numbered from the front to the back 1-6.

 

yeah i looked for them but i guess the **** is so dirty i need to clean them up a little. But i think the firing order might be right since it does fire right up it just struggles more then it used to. Kind of feel like the 4 cylinder thing. Thanks for the post.

Steffen Sparks

 

Actually the carb may be gummed up to. No fuel will give you the same feeling. Those stock carbs are problematic anyway and if it set for a long time that could be part of the problem.

 

I did manage to clean out but didnt rebuild it or anything like that. I finally pulled the plugs and they where dirty as hell and i took a wired brush to them and it idel very smooth and it seemed it had alot more horses. i didnt drive it because i didnt want all the wet gas getting into the spark plugs so i will let it sit for tonight. I am still having that starter problem though and cant seem to find out way it disengages if you crank it over to long. Thanks guys

Steffen Sparks

 

Come on guys any ideas?

Steffen Sparks

 

what they checked was amp draw/voltage etc
what is happening most likely can't be duplicated on the bench
when under engine load, while cranking, the starter drive (bendix) is collapsing/retracting from a weak/bent/broken spring, and/or fork that drives the bendix
replace the starter IMO

 

I just went through some of this with my friend's 77. He was convinced it was the carb and I kept telling him it was the cat. So I rebuilt his carb and the problem was still there. I cut out the cat, which was too small anyway, and it was pluged. $50 high flow cat solved the problem. now she'll purr like a kitten. Also, for some reason it had an older distributor put on it and the points were shot.

 

to add to that, depending on the price, you might be able to rebuild your starter for not much money. i rebuilt mine, using a burnt (armature welded ) spare. took about 1-2 hours total time. if you like to tinker, it's a very simple project.

i was having similar problems with my starter. turned out that the brush connectors were broken. so, i replaced them with parts from the burnt one. that was two years ago. works very well.

wally

 

A '76 CJ with a 232 or 258 will have a 1V YF, not a 2V BBD. The YF is fine - not troublesome like the BBD.

A '76 will not have points and condensor - it will be the Prestolite electronic ignition. Cap, rotor, wires and timing.

If this car is new to you, I'd suggest you start with a basic tuneup - new spark plugs, ignition wires, distributor cap, rotor, air cleaner element, PCV valve.

What do you mean about not driving to avoid wet gas on the plugs? If it runs, and you have wet plugs, you have too much gas. Check for a stuck choke.

Starters are easy to rebuild. You can replace the starter gear (bendix) very easily. No need to sweat it - these cars are easy to bump start. Ignition on, get it rolling at a walking pace, jump in, clutch in, put it in gear and release the clutch. When the engine catches, push the clutch in or just go.

 

alright guys i just bought a new starter and that was the problem and know it starts perfectly know i need to work on why it does not want to shut off i also have to get the clutch replace since it is the origenal clutch in it. Thanks alot guys for your help.

Steffen Sparks