T18 Find!

Ahoya!

In need of sage advice. I found a local in possession of a jeep t18, drivers side pto port, casting#T18-1A.
Tag#5356735 13-01-177 ?

I've been shopping around for a Ford version for two reasons, granny low, and the possibility of running my pto off the tranny,(drivers or passenger side,) instead of the way its been run since I found her (D20.)

Previous owner fabbed up a huge monstrostiy with toolbox, jack mount and Ramsey offset to clear the saginaw box. I'm too stuborn to lose the winch, just all the leverage and excess weight.

The local bought it off a guy with a '77 CJ5. His kids were running jeeps with V8s and talked him into converting his, and did. Then they finally talked him into losing the T18 and going automatic, which he did. I spoke with the guy and he said it was a great tranny used it at Moab a few times, and only gave it up after much cajoling. He called me back, said he spun the gears and had 6 rotations. Anyway, he wants $800.00 which includes bellhousing, linkage, flywheel, shifter, clutch, and crossmember. Freshened it up, dropping it in

Deal or no deal?

 

I think $800 is good IF it is indeed a 6.32 first, It is already a shortshaft, and is in good working order. Otherwise talk him down.

I paid $50 for mine (FSJ T-18 WR with long shaft and half disassembled). Lockily all the parts wre there. I spent $300 on a rebuild kit and put it all back together. It already had the Dana 20 adapter and the bull gear I needed to replace the t-14 that was in my jeep.

 

I appreciate the sage advice, but am still leaning towards Ford because of the pto ports on both sides of tranny, and the ease of finding parts if needed.

I think I may be able to pull apart the Ramsey, change the worm gear to the other side. (like I was going to run it off the rear end.) Rotate the winch 180 degrees, so the input shaft is on the passenger side. Drop it between the frame rails and run it off the tansmission.

I'm too stuborn to give up, and will run it out of spite to all I meet on the trail who say, "Nice winch grampa."

 

$800 is high as mentioned for one not rebuilt. I think R&P is around $950 for a rebuilt unit ready to go, maybe even a bit lower.

Why not run the pto off the bottom of the 20 transfer case unless clearance is an issue? That way you get however many speeds in the transmission to spool in plus reverse to spool out if need be. Running off the T-18 you only get one speed in and no out feed unless you have a reversible pto unit as it runs off the cluster gear which only turns one direction. Realize also that the PTO unit must match the tooth count and pitch of the transmission you are using. If you need a reversible PTO for a 6-1 version T-18 I do know where one is at. Came off a Jeep T-18 Truck trans.

I agree about double checking the ratio. That year should have been a 4.02-1 version although I have seen a few with the 6.32-1. I'd also pull the shifter top and look inside. Check for obvious signs of rust but also check out the teeth on the first gear slider. Commonly worn out and fairly expensive to replace. Also look down in the bottom at the reverse idler gear and make sure it also is in good shape.
You can verify the ratio at that time. Count the teeth on the input gear. 17 teeth is the 6.32-1 version and 23 teeth is the 4.02-1 version.

By the way, Ford T-18's had the PTO port on the passenger side, Jeeps had them on the driver's side.
T-19's from IH's and Fords had PTO ports on both sides.

Edit: One other thing, make sure you get the adapter plate for between the bellhousing and transmission if you get this. They are very hard to find.

 

Ford T-18's had the pto port on the passenger side only which means you can't run a pto with that case and use a right hand drop transfer case.

T-19's had pto ports on both sides. Different animal although some of the rules and info still apply.

 

is that a coyote in the window of that thing?!

 

5356735 = 1977 CJ5/CJ7 (orignal application)

 

Should be wide ratio (6.32:1 1st) then (verify!). That's a pretty desirable transmission, but $800 is no bargain in my book, even if the seller knows what he has. You could put together a V8 FSJ T-18 (long input), new short input shaft, and Jeep T-150/T-176 bell for that much, probably less.

 

I gave $450 for the exact same setup that he's offering. A short shaft T18 with everything from the flywheel back to the D20 yoke minus a crossmember. So 800 sounds a little high, see if you cant get him down some.

 

Thanks for all the advice, I'll be there tomorrow morn to pull shifter top, and give it the once over. You can imagine my reluctance to drop in a 32 year old tranny thats been sitting around someones garage for who knows how long. At least I know now what to look for.
R)

 

It also puts the driveshaft to the winch on the wrong side if it's a Koenig winch.

 

Yup. You can actually flip the winch around and reverse the drive on the Koenig's but then the drum turns the opposite direction. In other words if it wound on the bottom before it will now wind from the top.

 

I've had 2 of the early T18-1B's, that took the adapter plate between the tranny and the bellhousing and both had the 4.02 first gear. I got a T18-1B with the short input out of a '77 CJ7 and it has the 6.32 first gear. I bought a FSJ 360/T18/Dana 20 setup(for $50. on E-bay) and it also has the 6.32 first gear of course I have to change the input shaft to use it.
My wife also asked was if that was a Coyote in your Jeep.

 

Not a coyote, just my hairy daughter and trusted copilot. She's supposed to be a japanese bird dog (Sheba Inu,) but prefers to chase moose up here.

 

sheddiggs

Hope I'm not too late to save ya some dough!

Post Date: Feb 4th, 2009
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$300.00
T-18 With ulta-low 1st gear.
Willard, UT 84340 - Feb 4, 2009
This T-18 is the T-18 every jeeper or crawler wants. Its first gear has a 6.32:1 gear ratio. Show up all your buddys just in time for moab. Bolts to a Dana 20 Transfer case.


Seller Contact Info
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David Home Phone:
435-225-2144

CAM
PS this is not mine just seen it on KSL

 

Story of my jeepin life, too late to save money!

Anyway, made contact with the old timer who had the tranny before. He bought a '77 cj5 w/258,t18 combo. His kids were runnin jeeps with v8's and talked the old man into doing a v8 conversion. He ran it, loved it. Then they were trying to talk him into losin the t18 and going with an automatic. He finally relented, thats how I found the shiny nickel. In speaking with him, he seemed to miss that tranny. His loss, my gain. At least I'm trying to convince myself of that.

The latest solution to my front end weight, leverage problem is finding mid 70's
Scout 2 power steering box, convert. Then I'll finally be able to lose most of the weight and leverage on the front of the frame. Chop the angle iron encasing the winch, fab some on the sides, and drop her between the framerails. Then it should be a straight shot in there for the pto shaft.

Any opinions, issues?:?

 

I suggest you start a new thread with this question.