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Engine cuts out at cruising speed

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Stout, May 10, 2015.

  1. May 10, 2015
    Stout

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    I have a '59 CJ5 with original F-head motor. Once upon a time ago, I posted here that the engine would cut out at cruising speed. Once I am in 3rd gear and cruising at a steady speed and then step on the gas, the engine seemingly dies and then instantly springs back to life. In my original post, I thought it seemed electrical like the ignition was cutting out.

    However, I'm now convinced it is fuel. I thought maybe accelerator pump but the symptoms don't fit because it accelerates just fine until I get to cruising speed.

    It is an original carburetor but completely overhauled. New fuel pump, but a cheap repop. Could it be fuel pump?

    Again, it only seems to happen at high speed. When steady on the gas, everything is fine. But when I push on the gas to speed up, it dies. Let off the gas and it springs back to life and everything is fine after that. It is happening much more frequently now.
     
  2. May 10, 2015
    Glenn

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    Does the engine actually shut off or just stumble? If you let off the gas and push on the pedal again it is ok and will run at cruising speed?
     
  3. May 10, 2015
    Stout

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    It appears to shut off, which is why I originally thought it was electrical. But now I think it merely stumbles. Let off the gas and push it again and it comes back and will run at cruising speed.
     
  4. May 10, 2015
    FinoCJ

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    I dont know much but sounds very similar to symptoms I dealt with last year with my V6. pretty sure it turned out to be a fuel pump that was on its last leg. I tested fuel pressure and volume and it all seemed fine but within a couple months it got worse and started smelling fuel in the oil. Replaced pump and no problems. I do realize you have new pump but just relaying my experience.

    Just a side note - while troubleshooting a good recommendation was to check carb inlet filter. Cleaning that helped but wasnt the sole problem for me. Maybe for you it could be that simple.
     
  5. May 10, 2015
    Glenn

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    It doesn't sound like a fuel pump issue. I don't think it would recover as it does if it was. Does it have any hesitation at all when accelerating, at any time, other than the time you are describing? It seems like some kind of accelerator circuit issue. Are you certain the float level is where it should be? Who rebuilt the carb? Where did the kit come from? I've noticed the YF gasket sets sometimes seem to have good gaskets, but in reality they don't match up well at all. Also, does the carb base gasket have the cutout for the vacuum port?
     
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    Glenn

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    Also, when you say high speed or cruising speed, what mph are we talking about?
     
  7. May 10, 2015
    Stout

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    Carb is a replacement that was rebuilt by a professional. I rebuilt my original carb twice but still couldn't get it to run right -- I think the shaft bushings were so worn that it was causing a vacuum leak. This rebuilt carb supposedly had the bushings redone but who knows. I will probably order a kit and rebuild it myself just to make sure everything is OK, such as the float level.

    I don't notice any other hesitations, sputtering, etc. other than this. Starts good and idles nice, although it does seem to take a while to warm up.

    As for MPH, it seems to happen between 40 and 45 while cruising steady.

    I think I'll just tear the carb down and rebuild.
     
  8. May 10, 2015
    Glenn

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    Do you have the correct base gasket as I mentioned?
     
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    Stout

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    It's been a while since I installed it but I believe so.
     
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    Glenn

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    Since you mentioned it taking a while to warm up, has the cutting out occurred before the engine was warmed up? Or did you wait for it to get up to operating temperature before driving it? How long did you drive it after it cut out? Did it do it again after that?
     
  11. May 10, 2015
    WorkInProgress

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    Sounds like the issue I had with mine. Cutting out at high mph around 40 mph I too thought mine was fuel. But no, mine turned out to be the points were bouncing and not closing at high rpm. After I set the point gap and dwell. And was told I had installed the spring incorrectly on my points. Reinstalled correctly and my problem went away.
     
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    WorkInProgress

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    I could replicate my problem revving engine very high in driveway. Sounded like rev limiter kicking in on modern vehicles
     
  13. May 10, 2015
    Glenn

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    His issue seems to correct itself (so to speak) though. Did yours do that, or was it more of a continual issue?
     
  14. May 11, 2015
    garage gnome

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    This thread is very interesting. I have the same EXACT problem with Ted. Same symptoms and same cure when it cuts out. Just let off and it picks back up. I'm running petronix in my jeep. Do you have that as well?

    Mine bucks like it is running out of gas even though it has plenty. I too have to let off on the gas and the problem goes away. I'm thinking is a fuel pump issue.
     
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    To me, could seem more like a clogged filter in the fuel tank, especially if it is progressively worsening. "It is happening much more frequently now."
    Try blowing back the fuel line first and see if the problem is reduced, at least for a while.




    Easy enough to check at the carb fitting. Two things, pressure and volume(flow). F-head pump should put out 3psi, and fill a cup reasonably fast.
     
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    Stout

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    A few other pieces of data that I should mention.

    1. I am running a petronix just like garage gnome.

    2. It does take a while to warm up. When I start it cold, it runs like it is misfiring on one or more cylinders. I let it run for a few minutes and then it smooths out. After it warms up, it runs fine.

    3. I have not been able to replicate the problem while sitting still. I have only had the problem at cruising speed, and only after driving it for a while so the engine is at full operating temperature when it occurs.

    4. This may be important and perhaps I should have mentioned this first but I just thought of it. I have a small vacuum leak around the wiper motor, which is run off the fuel pump. Next time I drive it, I will try plugging that line to see if this vacuum leak is relevant to the problem.

    PeteL, I don't think I have a fuel filter in the tank. I added a fuel filter in the line before it reaches the carb. It is a clear filter and looks clean. The Jeep only has about 300 miles on it since a ground-up restoration including a 100% overhaul of the engine and new fuel tank.

    Many thanks for all the help and ideas.
     
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    "When I start it cold, it runs like it is misfiring on one or more cylinders. I let it run for a few minutes and then it smooths out. After it warms up, it runs fine."

    When I've had that happen it was a bad head gasket. Pressurized coolant would seep into one or two cylinders during the night, then burn off after starting.
    As a diagnostic clue, leaving the radiator cap loose at night or after each run would alleviate it.

    Or, maybe your pertronix has a gremlin and is acting up. I don't trust 'black boxes.' When they go partially bad, the symptoms can be totally illogical.
     
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    Glenn

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    Well, the more information the better. ;) Is the inside of the distributor cap nice and clean and dry? No loose rotor button? The starting when cold issue sounds more like ignition than carb or fuel. When you start it cold you do use the choke, right? Absolutely certain timing is correct?
     
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    Stout

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    I agree, I'm not a fan of the Petronix for that reason alone. At least with points, problems can be diagnosed and resolved. My original distributor needs rebuilt and something I have not yet gotten around to -- the Petronix is a temporary measure until then.
     
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    Glenn

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    Add that to diagnosing over the internet. :) To expand on Pete's thought, have you had any coolant issues? Maybe had to top it off and wondered why?
     
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