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I don't know what else to do...alternator not charging

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Greenshirt82, May 20, 2015.

  1. May 26, 2015
    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    Thanks Walt. I just re-ran all the tests. The alternator is wired thusly:

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    Test results:
    H-69 #1 - ignition off, 0v Aux to ground
    H-69 #2 - engine running, 0v Aux to ground, 12.5v across battery (output to ground)
    H-70 #1a - VR disconnected, engine running, jumper from field to Aux, 0.5v
    H-70 #1b - VR disconnected, engine running, jumper from field to Lamp (5 o'clock position), 0v
    H-70 Remy - VR disconnected, engine running, jumper from field to Output, 13.5v and climbing
    H-73 #1 - ignition on, engine not running, 0v Aux to ground
    H-73 #2 - ignition off, Field disconnected, 2.4A Field to Output

    What this tells me:
    H-69 #1 - Isolation diode is not shorted (good)
    H-69 #2 - Unknown -- possibly the Isolation diode is open (bad)
    H-70 #1 - Alternator field is not working, fault in either stator or rectifier diodes (bad)
    H-70 Remy - Isolating the field, the alternator puts out current (good)
    H-73 #1 - The amp light circuit is bad (bad)
    H-73 #2 - Field circuit is good (good)

    Tests 69 & 70 tell me the alternator field circuit is bad, but test H-73 #2 counters that -- ??

    Test H-73 #1 tells me I need to check my amp light circuit before I put any new components in, like a new alternator or VR.

    I'm now 90% sure the alternator is bad, as I checked the wiring and it's all correct. But I will check the wiring one more time just to be certain.

    Does this now make sense?

    Regards,
    Tim
     
  2. May 26, 2015
    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    I'm on my third VR, simply because the tests, recommended by Remy, were indicating that. With the correct tests, it now appears the Alternator is in fact the culprit.

    Also, I did move the white wire to the 5 o'clock position.

    I am now considering reinstalling the original alternator as the original VR may have been the culprit. And of course re-running all the tests.

    I'm getting good at R&R alternators...

    Regards,
    Tim
     
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  3. May 26, 2015
    Walt Couch

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    The aux terminal will not have any voltage until the alternator is charging. The wire from the charge light going to the aux terminal should give the Aux terminal enough power to excite the system for it's initial start. If this does not happen then the alternator field circuit will not be energized. Voltage regulator connected of course.
     
  4. May 26, 2015
    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    Hmm, so does this mean I've got a problem with my amp light circuit or the field? Sorry for being thick.

    Regards,
    Tim
     
  5. May 26, 2015
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    What I don't understand is why both wires on the aux. post on the diode pack on the old alternator wouldn't be connected the same on the new alternator.
     
  6. May 26, 2015
    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    See post #21. In the photo I showed how I wired per Walt's suggestion. This is closer to original.

    Regards,
    Tim
     
  7. May 26, 2015
    Glenn

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    On the original you also have the gray wire to voltage regulator coming off of that same terminal, which is why I don't understand why the new one is different. :)
     
  8. May 26, 2015
    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    TBH, I'm not quite sure either. It does seem logical that some sort of current should flow through the 5 o'clock lug. That's the isolation diodes and otherwise there's nothing. However, on the 55 amp alternator nothing is connected there.

    Regards,
    Tim
     
  9. May 26, 2015
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    Sucks that they didn't give you an identical alternator, it seems that figuring it out would be simpler.
     
  10. May 26, 2015
    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    Good news!

    I re-installed the original alternator with the new VR. Everything works, all tests passed and amp light goes out quickly.

    Thanks for for all the help, I'm much smarter on the charging circuit now!

    Regards,
    Tim
     
  11. May 26, 2015
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    Well, that's definitely good news. :)
     
  12. May 26, 2015
    Walt Couch

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    Yep the Aux circuit in the new alternator is bad...
     
  13. Jun 1, 2015
    commanlerwrangdo

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    Excellent Tim. Why I never toss out any old stuff until it is proven as trash. Plus, knowledge is a good thing.:p
     
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