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71 Dual Master Cylinder Plumbing

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by todd hofsaess, Nov 8, 2020.

  1. Nov 8, 2020
    todd hofsaess

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    Picked up a 71 cj5 with 10” brakes last fall and replaced the the wheel cylinders, brake lines and brakes this spring. It had a new dual master cylinder also installed before I got it.
    Its had a pull to the right this summer, hardly noticeable when applying 1/2 brake but beyond that have to correct with the steering wheel.
    This weekend I finally pulled the left front drum to look around and bled it to make sure there was no air in the wheel cylinder.
    While searching here I saw that with dual MC that the outlet closest to the firewall is supposed to feed the fronts and the one further from the firewall to the rears.
    Today I decide to look and guess what, its plumbed the opposite way; closest to firewall to bottom of distribution block going to the rear and top going to the splitter going to the fronts.
    I assume this isn’t the cause of my issue but just want to confirm that my lines are indeed reversed and should be switched.
    Anyway, any thoughts/ comments on this plumbing issue and pulling to right are appreciated. FF46C980-0B98-4A9B-8E0F-8B6273146ACC.jpeg
     
  2. Nov 8, 2020
    Twin2

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    lines looks right to me . but it's not a 71 master cylinder . I see a spring clamp for top
    mc tee - Copy.JPG
     
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  3. Dec 1, 2020
    Kenneth Macke

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    Todd, having very similar issues with my 71 CJ5. Brakes were terrible, I call them my Fred Flintstone brakes! Got a new MC, replaced wheel cylinders, shoes. Then I noticed the lines from the MC were swapped. Then I noticed the MC is not really the correct one for this model Jeep. Also, don't really see the purpose of the distribution block that mounts inside the frame rail. On 72' and later models, this become a proportional valve body. It looks like the Crown Automotive #J0945556 is the correct MC.
    Anybody else out there can help clear this up? MC brake lines.jpg Crown MC.jpg
     
  4. Dec 1, 2020
    Mr Vaughan

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    not quite like mine, but may have changed in 10 years difference.
     
  5. Dec 1, 2020
    Mr Vaughan

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    mine has a large plug that takes a 1 1/8 wrench
     
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    Mr Vaughan

    Mr Vaughan

  7. Dec 2, 2020
    todd hofsaess

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    When I pulled the wheel apart it appeared that the adjuster wasn’t positively engaging every time against the star wheel. I bent the tab a little and now its working so it appears that was the issue.
    When Twin2 replied that his was the same way I moved on to the next issue and lost interest in this one, though I’m still interested in knowing if it truly matters.
     
  8. Dec 2, 2020
    Kenneth Macke

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    Dual-MC.jpg
    Todd, The dual master cylinder was mandated from 1968 on, for all vehicles in the US.
     
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  9. Dec 2, 2020
    Kenneth Macke

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    Todd, looks like you and I both have the newer style (1972-75) master cylinder. It also shows the front port on the MC goes to the rear brakes.
    brake master cylinders.jpg
     
  10. Dec 2, 2020
    Twin2

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    I don't agree with diagram above :confused: #8
    picture I posted was from factory set up . lines never changed
    but if you use the snap on top master (newer) . maybe
     
  11. Dec 2, 2020
    Kenneth Macke

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    Ron,
    Yes I agree this is a much disputed issue, but I assumed that the Crown Automotive J0945556 MC shown above is a direct replacement for the factory MC on the Jeep CJ5 V6 from 1966-71. It clearly shows the front port is for the rear brakes. Also, the smaller reservoir would go to the rears, because the rear wheel cylinders are a smaller bore (13/16" Dia.) versus the fronts which are 1" Dia. bore.
     
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    one that got replaced
    DSCN0516 - Copy.JPG DSCN0512 - Copy.JPG
     
  13. Dec 2, 2020
    Kenneth Macke

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    Focker

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    That's correct. The rear brakes get the secondary outlet.
     
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    Focker

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    Don't think of it that way, think of the front being closest to the plunger (not the front of the Jeep). The port closest to the plunger is the Primary braking system (front brakes).
     
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    Focker

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    It's correct.
     
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    Focker

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    Correct.
     
  18. Dec 2, 2020
    Focker

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    P= Primary... Front brakes.
    S= Secondary... Rear brakes.
    [​IMG]
     
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  19. Dec 3, 2020
    todd hofsaess

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    I guess I have some line swapping to do
     
  20. Dec 3, 2020
    Kenneth Macke

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