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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Rich Cain, Oct 15, 2023.

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    Fireball

    Fireball Well-Known Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

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    This is my experience with a copper one:
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    It got replaced with this:
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    Glenn

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    Ooops!
     
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    Glenn

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    What id is that hose?
     
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    Fireball

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    It's -3 hose, so 3/16" ID.
     
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    Glenn

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    Did you notice in difference in your oil pressure reading?
     
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    Ol Fogie

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    And the adapters are to 1/8 pipe thread?
     
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    PeteL

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    One thought is that a big enough fuse to carry all the current for the entire vehicle might still allow a fire hazard even without blowing.

    And if it did blow, losing ignition and lights and everything all at once could be a very scary moment on a busy freeway.
     
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    Glenn

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    I'm not following how this could happen. Now I've got to go to my garage and study my electrical system.
     
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    Fireball

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    No. Pressure is pressure. The size of the pipe doesn't matter.

    Yes. The adapters come in the kit.
     
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    Jw60

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    My understanding is the typical ammeter is on the primary wire from the battery to the system. If it or the primary wire fails you have an electrical fire from the heat but if it has a breaker you should simply be reduced to the charge current from the alternator. That should keep it running above idle.
     
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    Glenn

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    I agree that pressure is pressure. The difference is whether or not there is even flow thru all points. The reason I asked is because when I installed a copper line (which I later removed) my pressure reading was a bit lower than when I had nylon tubing. I believe it was from crimping the ferrule a bit too much, my fault of course. Anyway I liked the nylon tubing better, so I put it back. I was just curious if you did notice any difference, not that I expected there would be.
     
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    vtxtasy

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    I prefer mechanical gauges. Still have the electrical temp gauge and charge light connected to have a reference and an oil pressure light plus an extra light in
    a more visible location to get more attention.
    Ran the braided hose as per Fireball and sleeved rubber hose over the line in the engine compartment to eliminate any chaffing. Used a voltmeter as most amp
    meters are rated for 60 amps unless using a shunt. Also uses larger wiring and the confusion of more wiring and things to go wrong. At that point, a voltmeter
    seemed the wiser choice. Put in an hour meter cause I could. Other gauges include a vacuum gauge and AFR.
    Relays for high/low beam headlights, fog lights for possible future use, temp controlled aux fan and a relay to the HEI with hidden kill switch. Much more and
    definitely not your stock wiring harness.
     
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    My Jeeps are all 12 volt with alternators. The reason I prefer a voltage meter over and AMP meter is I can tell with a glance whether the alternator is charging.

    I had a regular car alternator that would not charge at lower RPMs, and most of the time I am driving a Jeep at slow speed around the farm or in the woods.

    The alternators I use now will charge 14 volts at idle, all day long. I no longer have to deal with going down to the barn to get a Jeep and finding it won't crank over.
     
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    Glenn

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    Both of mine are the 1 wire kind that don't have to be revved to start charging, is that what yours are?
     
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    That's interesting. Even with a very small orifice, the pressure should eventually equalize. Not sure the mechanism behind what you observed.
     
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    PeteL

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    Ditto, pressure is pressure and equal at all points in in a closed system, disregarding height and gravity.
     
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    Oldpappy

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    Glen,

    Yes, 1 wire 63 amp alternator.

    I have bought a couple from CMV. They cost more than the alternator I bought from RockAuto, which worked but didn't charge at low RPM. These work very well, and exactly as described, even have the correct size pulley.

    https://jeep1942.com/?page_id=10673
     
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    Jw60

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    Make sure you bled the line of air or a pulsing pressure gets dampened and reads low due to internal friction in the orifice tube.
     
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    Glenn

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    I can't say that it wouldn't have eventually equalized but I only left it on there for maybe 1/2 hr. since I decided I liked the nylon better due to the flex factor/simpler to install and secure. I don't remember the difference being a lot, maybe 5 psi or so. I didn't really try to troubleshoot the cause since I decided I didn't like the copper anyway.
     
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    Glenn

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    Sounds just like what I have and they do work good. I bought mine local from an automotive electrical shop. These self excite, don't have to be revved to start charging.
     
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