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Head gasket Question

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by ONAROLL, Oct 23, 2005.

  1. Oct 23, 2005
    ONAROLL

    ONAROLL 55CJ5 134F

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    First off, great site, I really hate this to be my first post but.....is it possible to bolt down a L head gasket on an F headed block? I have a problem with a new ring job thats got me pulling my hair out, possible incorrect gasket would be good news........thanks
     
  2. Oct 23, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    It is indeed possible to bolt the incorrect gasket in place, and it will give miserable results. An L-head gasket in an F-head engine will leak most of your compression through the valve guides and down into the crankcase.

    Do you have low power and an awful amount of pressure coming out of the breather. if it will fire over at all? What are your compression gauge readings?
     
  3. Oct 23, 2005
    ONAROLL

    ONAROLL 55CJ5 134F

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    It will not fire, I did get one "pop" and thought I saw smoke puff from the thermostat housing but was not sure, almost zero compression, added a little oil to cylinders but it did not help, I have good cranking pressure on the guage, the thought of a puff of smoke got me to thinking so with no water in it I placed a shop vac into the thermo housing and have suction at the oil fill in the valve cover, when I put the head on I just casually lined the gasket on the head but I did not look very close, what do ya think? I just shut the hood and walked away, I have calmed down now....Vic
     
  4. Oct 23, 2005
    66cj5

    66cj5 Jeep with no name

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    would check the timing.
     
  5. Oct 23, 2005
    ONAROLL

    ONAROLL 55CJ5 134F

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    Did, a couple times, and valves, spent a few hours trying to fire it,checked everything I wished I would have pulled the head right then but after the shop vac incident I called O'Rileys and ordered a F head gasket and cracked the Captain Morgan hoping it was just the wrong gasket in the set....Vic
     
  6. Oct 23, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    Lots easier to pull the head to check the gasket than it is to pull the front cover to check the timing. That's where I would start.

    The very fact that you have suction from the coolant circuit into the crankcase is a dead giveaway that you have a sealing issue, and the head gasket is a prime candidate for this. Be sure to let us know how you make out!
     
  7. Oct 23, 2005
    ONAROLL

    ONAROLL 55CJ5 134F

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    Thanks Steve, I will let you know, I would think I would have seen a mismatch, but Im learning as I go on this little 4 cylinder........Vic
     
  8. Oct 24, 2005
    nickmil

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    Yup, it's possible. Had it happen to me back in 19.... well, back when I was 17 and still had the F-head in my '59-5. Mine would start, but it smoked like crazy and ran like crud! Swapped it to the correct gasket and all was good. If you had the head off then that's where I would start. It's very easy to mix up the F-head and L-head gaskets. Nickmil.
     
  9. Oct 24, 2005
    Mojave

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    With a head gasket costing under $20, I think that's the logical place to start. Anything that's going to cost you most of your compression is going to require you to pull the head to fix. Didn't line up all the gaps in the rings, did you?
     
  10. Oct 24, 2005
    ONAROLL

    ONAROLL 55CJ5 134F

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    Thanks, after your responses Im sure its gotta be the wrong gasket, I'll know wed when my "F" gasket gets in, Vic
     
  11. Oct 24, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    You'll see the difference right away. The F-head gasket only has a cutout for the exhaust valve, and a tiny hole for the pushrod to go up through th head to the intake valvetrain. The L-head has a cutout in the gasket for both intake and exhaust valves.
     
  12. Oct 24, 2005
    ONAROLL

    ONAROLL 55CJ5 134F

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  13. Oct 30, 2005
    ONAROLL

    ONAROLL 55CJ5 134F

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    amazing how well it runs with the "right" gasket, the F gasket kit had an L head gasket in it........thanks......Vic
     
  14. Oct 30, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Glad you got it figured out.
     
  16. Oct 31, 2005
    kamel

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    The very first f head I rebuilt I mistakenly put an L head gasket.

    No compression and some odd popping when rotating the engine. didn't try to start it though.

    When I took the head off the gasket came off with the head; well I set the head (and gasket) aside and concentrated on what I could have done wrong on the engine.

    Well, it was a good half hour of frustration before I glanced at the head and associated gasket......

    Y'know, I had a box of head gaskets -- about 6 -7 in all. All except one were for the F head. So I had grabbed the only wrong head gasket that I could have in the initial assembly.
     
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