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How to go about making Track Bars

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by DanStew, Mar 19, 2006.

  1. Mar 19, 2006
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    I am coming to the point that i am going to make a set of track bars for the jeep to help locate the axles and make the jeep a bit more streetable. Right now it wanders pretty ood at times, given it is a short wheelbase vehicle and sometimes hat is par for the course. But what is the science to make a track bar? From looking at the kits, i would mount one side to the frame and the other end to the spring plate. Does it make a differnce on which side the bar mounts to the frame? Do i keep both front and rear to the same side, or do i make them opposite sides of the frame from front adn rear. I was going to use tubing and heim joints. Just not so sure why the stock units are bent and such, i am thinking they need to be bent to clear the pumkin.

    So who has made their own track bars.. or are they called pan head bars?
     
  2. Mar 19, 2006
    mb82

    mb82 I feel great!

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    Called both. Now I am no expert but I think you at least for the front go drivers side frame to passenger side axle and keep it inline with the draglink on the steering box. other then that I don't know nothin'
     
  3. Mar 20, 2006
    Lugnutz

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    There are alot of differing views on a four link or three link/coil setup. First, there are alot of things to think about before bolting on new bars unless you are simply replacing the existing equipment. The last three issues of JP magazine have been addressing suspensions on a pretty basic level. The control arms, go fore and aft, two on each side, and control the front and back movement of the axle. The distance the rod ends are spread, one above and one below the axle at the axle, also prevents axle wrap (the tendency for the axle to roll over under acceleration), the further they are, the better they control wrap.
    The Panhard bar locates the axle directly below the frame and keeps theaxle centered (side to side) under the vehicle.
    Do some good research before doing your own setup due to the geometry of how the parts interact with each other.
    Good Luck, I look forward to seeing it on the road!!:)
     
  4. Mar 20, 2006
    Dummy

    Dummy I kick hippies

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    Track bar, panhard bar, whatever.

    First, you sure you need 'em. Have you tried a swaybar yet? A front factory-type swaybar would go a long way in stability.

    If you're set on 'em, start with the front trac bar first. It's got to be the same length and angle as your drag link or you'll have massive bump steer. Since your pitman arm is on the driver-side, your frame mount for the trac-bar needs to be on the driver-side. Like I said before, make the trac bar the same length "mounting point-to-mounting point" as your drag link. If you're going to use tubing and rod ends, I'd suggest a fairly burly tube wall thickness (at lest 0.188, but .250 would be better) since the trac bar comes under a lot of stress. Use Aurora or another high quality rod end. You may need to use misalignment bushings on the rod ends depending on your lift height, suspension travel, and how your mounts are designed.

    If after you drive with the front trac bar you decide you need a rear, it's got to go the opposite way as the front. That is, if your front frame mount is on the driver's side, your rear needs to be on the passenger-side. If the frame mounts are on the same side the vehicle will turn really nicely in one direction, but turning the other way will cause jacking so severe a rollover on flat ground may be possible just from hard steering input.
     
  5. Mar 20, 2006
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    Then i may be misunderstanding. Currently i am spring over and will keep it that way, i am not going to mess with coils or link suspension. So how about making a sway bar setup or is it just easier to retrofit a factory unit? Just trying to make the jeep a bit more stable on the road, given i jsut went and tightened abunch of things up the other day, but havnt driven it yet. Jeep rides nice, just wanders a touch, especially when i put the clutch in it will veer a bit to the right.
     
  6. Mar 20, 2006
    w3srl

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    Panhard bars are not normally used on leaf spring setups, due to the geometry. (The axle can't move side to side at all). They are almost always used in coil, or coil-over setups to help locate the axle laterally. I don't thing they'd do much for on-road stability, and are much more likely to create binding somewhere along the way.

    Have you put it on an alignment rack yet Dan? Setting the axle back to either the CJ or the Waggy specs would be my first choice before I did any modifications. Amazing what a couple of degrees out on the front axle can do for streetability!
     
  7. Mar 20, 2006
    DanStew

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    Yeah i still need to get it aligned, that is one thing i have not had time to do. I did stretch the wheel base a touch with the wrangler springs and offset perches.
     
  8. Mar 20, 2006
    53Flattie

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    Do you know what the caster is on the front axle?
     
  9. Mar 20, 2006
    DanStew

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    Not sure bout the caster. i didnt change anything. i welded the perches parralell to the old ones, so the caster will be stock wagoneer.
     
  10. Mar 20, 2006
    53Flattie

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    That should be pretty good then. Just for S&G's, I'd put an angle finder on two of the bolts that hold the front diff cover and see what kind of reading you get. My caster was negative on the flattie and it was, literally, a death machine. Once I got the knuckles cut and rotated, it was much better.
     
  11. Mar 20, 2006
    73cj5

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    Look into a watts linkage, will keep the axle perfectly centered all the time.
     
  12. Mar 20, 2006
    Dummy

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    That'll get you your pinion angle, not your caster. Put the angle finder on the top of the balljoint a flat spot on the horizontal or vertical surface on the knuckle for the caster. Should be around 5-degrees positive caster (bottom ball joint in front of top).

    From what you're describing I'd suspect a lot of things. Once you get the front end aligned, check your tire pressure, make sure your spring bolts are tight enough, check your front hubs for slop in the bearings, tie rod ends, etc. etc. etc.
     
  13. Mar 20, 2006
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    Oh man have i gone through most of that list. Suspect things still are
    Alignment
    TREs

    Spring bolts have just been tightened
    Ubotls on axles have just been tightened
    Bearings are good

    I didnt get to drive it tonight, but i will bring it to work tomorrow :)
     
  14. Mar 21, 2006
    grannyscj

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    Dan,
    They had a 4 link calculator program on xtreme4x4.com awhile back. Looks like they took it off the site though. If you want it I have a copy. Let me know and I'll post it.:v6:
     
  15. Mar 21, 2006
    Lugnutz

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    I misunderstood. I didn't realize you had a leaf spring setup. When I got done with my build up on the CJ, I could hardly go down the road safely. New ball joints and and alignment took care of that. Also check your steering box for excessive play.
     
  16. Mar 21, 2006
    53Flattie

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    :oops: :oops: :oops:

    Doht! - need to pay more attention when I'm typing!!!
     
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