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I'm really an idiot now...how not to lift an engine

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by toolbox, Nov 12, 2006.

  1. Nov 12, 2006
    toolbox

    toolbox If you get bored, I've got the projects.

    Hamilton, Montana
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    Ok guys...I hauled all that stuff home last night and managed to damage my new radiator. Aparently that just wasn't good enough, so I decided to see what happens when you drop an engine from 5 feet up onto concrete. I was in a rush to return the truck I borrowed to haul this stuff, so I didn't secure the engine to the hoist as well as I should have. Result? I lifted the thing up in the air off the bed of the truck, and then pulled the hoist back to clear the tailgate. Well, engine swung like a pendulum and off the hook it went. I just sort of stood there looking at in in disbelief for a second. Could I really be this dumb? First the radiator, then the whole (#@^#&$#* engine??? The really amazing thing is it seemed to have fallen on three sides all at once!! The front and both sides were all damaged in the fall. I can't make any sense of how it did it, but look at the pics. It managed to bend the crank pully, the generator pully, it snapped the water pump shaft clean off, dented the distributor and broke the cap, and managed to put a pretty severe bend in the left side engine mount. :? :? :? . More amazing, the stupid stamped sheet metal fan seems to have come out completly undamaged???

    Ok, so I have to replace all that stuff...I checked the for sale ads, and didn't see anything. I've already bid on a crank pully on e-bay...couldn't find any of the other stuff there. Looks like it's going to take a while to find these parts.

    My biggest worry is that I may have damaged the crank. I managed to un-bend the crank pully enough to try and turn the engine over...it seemed to turn easy enough. It looks like the bendable parts probably absorbed most of the impact. Any chance I might have really messed this thing up? Look at the pics and tell me what you think...


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    This is the CJ6 that donated the engine...the rest of it will be for sale shortly.

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    Here's the guy right here...doesn't look too bad from a distance.

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    Here's what I'm really worried about...the bent crank pully. Doesn't look like it had a nut on it...thought these all had one :?

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    The generator turn over, but the pully rubs where it's bent. Hopefully it will still work...but who knows if I'll ever be able to find just a pully and not the whole thing.

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    Water pump shaft snapped clean off. This pump was almost brand new...had maybe 6 hours total use on it.

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    This is a mystery for the books...the fan is undamaged, but the pulley has a chunk taken out of it, and the pump shaft snapped off. I'd love to hear someone explain this one to me.

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    Engine mount is bent, but should hammer back into shape ok.

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    If you look at the lower edge of the distributor, you can see a dent in it..hopefully a cap will fit on it normally. I think it will. Unless it screwed up the shaft, I think it will work ok.

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    As an added bonus, the tranny I pulled with the engine is worse than I thought...look at 3rd gear. Don't think I've ever seen one busted up that bad before. Wish I could show you the wiggle in the input shaft :shock:

    So, looks like being stupid (and in a hurry) just got a bunch more expensive. One small piece of good news is I haven't managed to damage the PTO and winch I brought back...yet :rofl:

    So, how bad do you think the damage really is?
     
  2. Nov 12, 2006
    Sledgehammer

    Sledgehammer Sure, I'll try it

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    Ouch! Sorry to hear that. I can't really answer your question but don't feel like you are the only one that has ever done something like that.
     
  3. Nov 12, 2006
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    Personally I doubt the crank was hurt. Your tranny needs an input shaft no doubt, and that's not third gear. The splined part on the end of the input shaft is what the synchro hub locks to and that is direct (third).
     
  4. Nov 12, 2006
    GPin

    GPin Member

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    Crummy deal! If it makes you feel better my dad and I were moving his 1928 essex car pieces to a different garage, had the brand new rebuilt motor hanging from the rafters when we decided there wasn't enough room in the pickup and would get it the next morning, well the next morning the motor was on the floor along with the rafter pieces. Not an easy motor to find parts for. I do wish I could have heard the rafter snap and the engine hit the concrete though, CRACK-THUD! See, your not alone.
     
  5. Nov 12, 2006
    1969 CJ-5

    1969 CJ-5 AZ Native

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    I think your Crank is O.K. a buddy of mine here on Base had his ready to install 406 on the stand when the stand broke. It landed on the harmonic balancer and put a huge dent in the concrete. He replaced the balancer and all is good, except he still has a broke engine stand.
     
  6. Nov 12, 2006
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    You need to take the crank to the machine shop to have it cleaned up during the rebuild anyway, so just have them check it for straightness.

    The crank pully DOES have a nut on it, it's just boogered up. soak it in Kroil or PB Blaster and it should come off OK.

    The water pump should come with a new pulley already spot-welded onto the shaft. No biggie there.

    Pull the distributor and see if you can see any hairline cracks in the block both above and below the distributor, this is a known weak area on L- and F-head blocks. if the cap seats on the housing, you should be OK.

    Generator pulley shouldn't be hard to find, but you'll prolly have to buy the whole unit to get one. Unless you're going the 100-point resto route, go with a Delco alternator and be done with it. Generators suck for general daily use.
     
  7. Nov 12, 2006
    Grandpot

    Grandpot Old Narc

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    I feel your pain! Recite the motto under my signature three times a day.
     
  8. Nov 12, 2006
    jeep2003

    jeep2003 Well-Known Member

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    bummer. My brother works at a shop and the boss's suburban needed a new engine so they changed it. Then somebody borrowed it right after and sombody forgot to tighten an oil line so the thing spewed its oil and seized up. They got a new engine and it fell off the stand and bent the crank! They got another new engine and it got in safely. The truck was sold soon after.
    Anyhow i do go to the junk yard scavenging for jeep parts often. I will keep an eye out for a generaor pulley for you. If you get one before i do no biggie :)
     
  9. Nov 12, 2006
    toolbox

    toolbox If you get bored, I've got the projects.

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    Thanks, let me know if you find anything :) . Also need a timing cover (see below).
     
  10. Nov 12, 2006
    Hawk62cj5

    Hawk62cj5 Captain of OldSchool

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    Sorry that happen to ya man. I slung a 350 out of the bed of my 79 chevy on 35s with 6 inches of lift , it hit soft dirt and I was lucky. But after that I slung a corprate 14 bolt out the back of the same truck which I had to load by myself on the road :(.
     
  11. Nov 12, 2006
    toolbox

    toolbox If you get bored, I've got the projects.

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    The results of the preliminary autopsy on the engine are in... Looks like no major damage was done. I pulled the timing cover off, and it looks like the crank is ok. Timing gears look ok. The pulley bent the timing cover, so I'll probably start looking for one of thoes too. I won the crank pulley on ebay for $10. The water pump is going to run about $35. Not sure on the generator pulley yet, or the timing cover. Guess I should just be thankful it wasn't a lot worse. Hope it works ok...this thing ran like a top when I had it going about a year ago. I was really hoping to just clean it up, paint it, and more or less plop it in. Looks like it might need a rear main seal (oil in the bellhousing), and I'm planning on putting a new clutch set in too. Other than that, I hope it will be good to go.
     
  12. Nov 12, 2006
    Rondog

    Rondog just hangin' out

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    Jeez dude, sure sucked being you this weekend! Glad you didn't lose any blood at least.

    Water pump ain't no big thang, just get a new one. You can probably get a pulley from Walck's if it doesn't come with the pump.

    Crank pulley DOES have a nut, buried under the grease. I think that pulley will straighten out OK. Crank should be fine.

    Generator...you should go with an alternator anyway. I know, you want to go back original, as do I, but an alternator is one of those "sensible and logical" upgrades, IMO. Like 11" brakes and Pertronix ignition.

    Motor mount will straighten out. I bet you can even straighten out the distributor with a little patience and a ballpeen hammer.

    I think your tranny is a much larger concern, that looks nasty.
     
  13. Nov 13, 2006
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    I think I'd try to get a new crank pulley for peace of mind. Any deformity in the pulley could give the illusion while rotating of something worse. ;)
     
  14. Nov 14, 2006
    toolbox

    toolbox If you get bored, I've got the projects.

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    Yes, being stupid does in fact suck. That tranny is funny...believe it not I actually drove it that way. It didn't even jump out of gear or anything but the trans & t-case made a LOT of noise :shock: . Pretty amazing how much damage these things can take and still function. I've actually got a couple other T90s in various states of missing parts. I should have enough to piece at least one good one together. I've got a brand new input shaft for a T-90, but it's the really long one for the 6 cylinder...but I think I have a decent used one for the F head in my pile-o-parts. I should have enought parts to make a transfer case too. I'm afraid to open that one up and look in side, if it's anything like the tranny.
     
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