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Got the winch apart...pics!

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by toolbox, Nov 22, 2006.

  1. Nov 22, 2006
    toolbox

    toolbox If you get bored, I've got the projects.

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    Ok, so I was wondering how to get the winch apart...so tonight I got ambitious and decided just to try and figure it out. Turns out it's just a lot of grunting, WD40, and a 3 jaw puller. The big problem was just all the crud on the shaft, and a couple of burrs that didn't want to let the bushings pass. I sprayed a lot of WD40 on the end of the shaft, and then used a puller to turn it off the shaft. It was on there pretty good. Once that's off, there's a couple of keys that come out, a collar, and then the drum should just slide right off the shaft. But, of course it won't. Again I had to use the puller and a bunch of lube to get it off...one turn at a time. It held on there right to the bitter last 1/2 inch or so. It wasn't that hard...just a lot of work.
    The bushings had some "bronze paste" in them...they have grease fittings, but over the years how many times do you suppose that actually happens? As tight as they fit, they could probably still be used, but I think new ones would give this thing another 50 years of service. The only real boo-boo is the brake shoe. It's taco'd pretty bad. It looks like the winch was engaged with the brake on tight. There's a steel pin that holds the handle to the end housing, and that was kind of an S shape when I pounded it out. A BFH and an anvil and it came out nice and straight. Here's the brake shoe:

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    And here is is off the winch:

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    I think it will be possible to straighten it out...it's going to take some time to figure it out, but it will probably be ok (unless I can find a replacement).

    Here's how it looked when I pulled it:

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    And here's a couple pics after teardown:

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    With a new set of bushings and gaskets, (and fixing the taco'd brake shoe of course) there's no reason this thing shouldn't work like new :) . The cable is even fairly pliable still (surprisingly so). I e-mailed Herm to see if he sells parts for these things...haven't heard back yet. Anyway, that was my fun tonight.
     
  2. Nov 22, 2006
    Steamer

    Steamer Thick and gritty!

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    Cool!! Thanks! Someday...........
     
  3. Nov 22, 2006
    mb82

    mb82 I feel great!

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    :iagree: Even 3inone penetrating lubricant(available at lowes) is multitude times better then WD-40

    Looks good.
     
  4. Nov 22, 2006
    toolbox

    toolbox If you get bored, I've got the projects.

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    I'm not a big fan of WD40 either...but I've got a can of it that was in a box of stuff I got and I'm just too che....er, frugal to toss it. I've been using it *very* liberally when I do, so the can shouldn't last too much longer. Everyone here seems to like PB Blaster...I was thinking I'd try that next.
     
  5. Nov 22, 2006
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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  6. Nov 22, 2006
    toolbox

    toolbox If you get bored, I've got the projects.

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  7. Nov 22, 2006
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    Not sure about the gaskets and what not but Herm is having the brake shoes made and some other little parts. Nickmil
     
  8. Nov 22, 2006
    Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

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    Cool :beer:

    Do the world a favour, write it up & make a web page

    Here's the world's best winch re-build web-page to give you an idea on how to do it-:twisted:

    http://users.eastlink.ca/~howarde/Ramsey Winch_2.html

    Seriously, when you get the thing finished, do a web page, I bet if you slip Sparky 5 bucks he'll let you put it in the tech section-

    H.
     
  9. Nov 22, 2006
    toolbox

    toolbox If you get bored, I've got the projects.

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    Not a bad idea...of all the information on Koenig winches I found on the internet, I couldn't find anyone giving a good write up on how to actually rebuild (or even tear down) one. I wish I was better about taking pics...once I get my hands dirty, I'm pretty much in high gear until it's time to clean up. I usually only have a couple hours at a time to work on things so I don't stop to take enough pics. That and I don't want to get my camera dirty :oops: . I really need to shop for a cheapo "garage cam" that can just sit out there getting grimy.

    I also got a reply from Herm...he's got the bushings, and seals. No gaskets...he said "they're non-exsistant, use silicone." So, I guess I won't worry about the gaskets...maybe I'll make my own if I get really ambitious. I'll see if he has a brake shoe...it shouldn't be too hard to get this thing back to new condition. I'd have to find someone with a shop press though to get the bushings in...it's on my wish list, but it'll be a long time before I own one.
     
  10. Nov 22, 2006
    Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

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    Well, I think you take pics just fine, if you look at mine most of them have way too much visual clutter in the background & the lighting sucks. Yours are "clean" & well lit. I know what you mean about concentrating on the work though, I tend to get in the groove as well. For every pic I do take theres probaly 3-4 others I woulda/shoulda/coulda:(

    As for the camera, my Fuji Finepix pretty much lives in the garage, it gets subjected to sand blasting dust, sawdust, grinder grit, high temps, low temps, freezing temps, bumps, thumps, bangs & boinks. A blast with the air hose , a wipe with the rag & its just like new :)

    Are the bushings really that tight that you need a press?? I would have thought that they would just be sufficiently snug to keep them from spinning. I'd think that with a suitable driver, i.e. an old socket, that a few taps from a hammer would seat them.

    H.
     
  11. Nov 22, 2006
    toolbox

    toolbox If you get bored, I've got the projects.

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    Thanks for the kind words for my pics...they usually come out ok, but I don't usually worry too much about my "garage pics". I used to do a *lot* of photography, but haven't had time to do much lately. Check my website for a little flash clip with some of my stuff. One of these days I'll put my website together...one of these days.

    One of these days I'll shop e-bay for a used cheap camera I can keep out there. I've got a Minolta D7i that was a real hot rod when it was new. Still takes nice pictures, even though it's getting to be a few years old. My "real" camera is a Canon EOS 10D. I've got a couple of "L" series lenses, macro gear, and a bunch of other stuff for it. Don't want to get that one greasy :shock: .

    As far as the bushings go, I didn't try and drive them out yet but I'll give it shot this weekend. I'm a little nervous about hammering on them because the housing is aluminum...I don't want to bugger up the holes. They seemed like they were in there pretty good, but it's worth a shot anyway.
     
  12. Jan 14, 2007
    kaiser_willys

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    your bushings may not be hurt after all the are not subjected to any high speeds i would clean every thing up and inspect them first
     
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