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T18/d20-d18 gear swap

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by neptco19, Jan 14, 2007.

  1. Jan 14, 2007
    neptco19

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    So can you swap a d18 gear set with the 6 spline bull gear into a d20 case behind a T18?? If you do can you still get the 2wd f/r hi/lo options??
     
  2. Jan 14, 2007
    jayhawkclint

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    I know the bull gear will swap; I've got a T-90 bull gear bolted onto my T-18 right now. I've read articles saying that the rest of the gearset swaps, but I'm not sure exactly how it's done. I think Dummy did something of that nature in his flattie.
     
  3. Jan 14, 2007
    DanStew

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    are you going to use a centered output or offset output? The 20 and 18 cases are the same if you have a large intermediate shaft dana 18 with the large hole. if you want to use a centered output of the dana 20 and use the dana 18 gears you will need to get the correct bull gear. it will be 6 spline and i forget what outer tooth count but it has been a big thread before, serach for it and look for nikmils input because there is some wrong info out there with an incorrect gear number. if you just want to use the dana 20 case with the 18 stuff.. i am guessing you broke the original dana 18 case.

    And a word about using the dana 20, it is nice but as you know the gears are not that low. but also the dana 20 output is much higher than the dana 18 rear output so the rear angle will be more. so you will need a cv shaft. If you use the dana 18 the rear output shaft angle wont be as bad.
     
  4. Jan 14, 2007
    neptco19

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    Well I havnt decided which out put I'm gonna run, got 2 sets of d44s to pick from, one being a centered rear and one being offset. I was thinking going with the centered for future potential changes, but thinking about it more I may just put the d18 behind the t18 and run the offset axles. (chomolys are cheaper :) ) Plus the idea of having the twin stickd 20 and the possibility of having the front/rear in different hi/lo ranges scares me...Dont need that to worry about.. For the dshaft angle I had planned on running a CV anyhow, got some laying around the shop will only need to be shortened.
     
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    DanStew

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    i am not sure you can get individual high and low fro the front and rear of the dana 20. Since the 20 is just an updated 18, they shift the same and you cannot get that option with this gear box. with the 300 that is a differnt story. But also with the offset rear axle you have the pumkins inline on one side so you can avoid rocks and such much better :) I know it was alot of frickin work for me to get rid of the cetnered and go back to an offset rear waggie i wont look` back. i like the little bit lower gears of the 18, but with the 5.38s i now have in the axles... boy it is slow. now time for an overdrive :)
     
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    neptco19

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    DanStew

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    I have a kit like that for my dana 20 sitting in my pile of parts. it only gives you 2 lo, not front lo or rear lo individually. maybe i got it worng what you wanted. And actually have the 2 low is kind of overreated. i have it in my 18 and i hardly use it, and if you just have the front hubs unlocked you get the same action if you put it into four low. and i cant tell you the last time i used just 2 lo, i just dont use it, but that is just me, others may use it much more than me :)
     
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    neptco19

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    I have the 18 in gold twinsticked now, and it does come in handy to dissengage to make a turn. Also its just the fun factor of having the option to.....all about the options :D

    For some reason I thought you could get it to front only..:( But it makes sense that you cant since the one rail only engages/disengages the front and the other is the range selector..
     
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    neptco19

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    Went back and read on the site some and with his kit you can get a front 2 hi but not 2lo. With the d300 you can get a front 2lo but not 2 hi..... Not sure if I would ever use it but there might be that one time :)


     
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    DanStew

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    what with all the questions? Whatcha doing?
     
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    neptco19

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    nothing......quit being nosey :)




    Its actually for a customer here at the shop that asked me to do some research for him. I thought I would be able to find it searching here but couldnt :( so figured Id start a thread about it.


    So this brings another question.....

    If the 20 shift rails can be adapted to allow a Front 2hi can the 18 be adapted the same way?? Ohhh Nickmil????
     
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    DanStew

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    Yeah nick will be better for that question. To get just 2hi in front wheel drive only, i still think you cant get that with the dana 20/18, but who knows, i am an armchair jeeper :)
     
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    neptco19

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    me too but that site selling the kit above seems pretty clear that you can :?
     
  14. Jan 16, 2007
    nickmil

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    Nope. 'fraid not. The 18 uses a simple clutch to engage and disengage the front output. The 20 uses a slider to engage/disengage sets of gears which is why you can get front only with the 20 but not with the 18. Nickmil
     
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    DanStew

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    And there is the straight dope :)

    Thanks Nick!!! check is in the mail :)
     
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    Thanks Dan! R) Nickmil
     
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    neptco19

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    Thanks, Nick ;)

    So if I have a small hole D18 I'll need to find a large hole case to swap the gears to a 20 case along with the EB bull gear.
     
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    nickmil

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    If you are trying to make a 2.46-1 low range 20 (stock is 2.03) then you need the following:
    Large hole 20 case
    18-8-22 gear
    18-8-24 gear
    18-5-9 intermediate gear
    These can be had from the early T-shift (6 cylinder) bronco case or any 29 tooth model 18 Jeep or Scout transfer case regardless whether it is small or large hole. Unless the gears have been changed an easy way to tell a 29 tooth transfer case is it has the 1 1/4" intermediate shaft. The 26 tooth ones I've seen have all been 1 1/8".
    You will also need from the early Bronco T-shift (6 cylinder) bronco case:
    18-8-37 slider gear

    The bull gear can be used from either the 18 transfer case:
    18-8-23
    or from the same bronco case you got the slider from:
    18-8-33
    I'd recommend the Jeep bull gear as the bronco one does not have the recess in it for the washer and nut and in some applications the recess must be machined in so the nut has full contact on the threads and does not interfere with PTO's or rear output shafts. Hope this clears up any confusion. Nickmil

    Oh, yeah, the 20 case will need some grinding on the inside to clear the Bronco sliding gear to be able to shift in all the gears. Nickmil
     
  19. Mar 10, 2007
    Chuck

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    I'm currently looking for this gear, would the years fall between 1966-72?
     
  20. Mar 10, 2007
    hudsonhawk

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    FYI: It is possible to get indpendent control of each axle on a Dana 20 T-case. It requires the removal of the shift interlock pills between the shift rails. With these removed It is possible to put one axle in high and the other in low.

    In the 2.5 years I have had mine this way I have messed up twice. Both times I was sitting still. I have used 2 low RWD as well as 2 HI Front WD and 2 LO Front WD on occasions. It is nice to have that functionality. Just be very carefull when shifting the t-case. Of course to use this functionality you need to have converted the case to twin stick operation.
     
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