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3.73's too high

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by JeepsRcool, Mar 20, 2007.

  1. JeepsRcool

    JeepsRcool Member

    I am getting pretty close to getting my jeep back on the road. I have done a 3 inch lift and put on 33 inch tires. i have :v6: t86 dana18 combo and 3.73s. i was crunching some numbers with regards to rpm and speed. i found out that in high and first gear at read line about 5000 i will be around 45. in second should be 80 and third close to 140. the first gear kinda scares me. my question is how bad will it be. i haven't driven it with this set up Im just wondering if it will have some bogging issues, like not having lots of power because of the gear ratios. i did do quite a bit of mods to the :v6: . what do you all think?
    freeway would be good 2500 for 65mph. buout my crawl ratio is about 25....

    thanks. and would it be easiest to change gears or tranny?
     
  2. MOP

    MOP Active Member

    Re: 3.73's to high

    I would say changing entire axles or the tranny would be easier, but that's just me and my fear of setting up axles. Rolling chassis prices can be very cheap and come along often enough.

    I think I would go for a 4 spd swap if I were you. If you swap to 4.88's or 5.38's you'll be a bit highway limited without also adding an overdrive.
     
  3. sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

    Re: 3.73's to high

    Try it for yourself first.

    I dunno. It could be better but I get by with it.

    I'd consider a 4spd or 3.15 gears in the D18 before swapping axles. Transfer case gears would probably be at the top of my list.
     
  4. hudsonhawk

    hudsonhawk Well-Known Member

    Re: 3.73's to high

    T-98 or T-18 swap, terra low gears in the t-case. Will give you respectable crawl and not affect your highway performance at all.
     
  5. JeepsRcool

    JeepsRcool Member

    Re: 3.73's to high

    cool thanks guys. ill see how i like it once i drive it. then ill determine the first up grade. thanks for the quick responses.
     
  6. MOP

    MOP Active Member

    Re: 3.73's to high

    That would be easiest. The cost of the gear set just scares me, and you basically end up where 4.88's get you.


    Just curious, why is swapping axles on the bottom? You saying it limits all-around drive-ability or just too much work? (I am assuming the "new" axles are in decent shape, and not already modified)
     
  7. sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

    Re: 3.73's to high

    I put that at the bottom because the transfer case gears doesn't affect my day-to-day driving.

    Axles would. So as an added expense I need an OD. Sure it's cool but it's one more thing to do.

    4 speed transmission = adapters and new driveshafts.

    So I put new t-fer case gears at the top. Just one job, not that an OD is hard, just lazy I guess. For no more than we wheel and the obstacles we tackle, I'm good with the T86 and 3.73 gears.
     
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2007
  8. evanjm

    evanjm Yeah, it's got an F-head.

    Re: 3.73's to high

    Regearing the axles isn't as scary as it seems. If you do your research and take your time, you'd be able to (with the proper tools) put new gears in your jeep by yourself.

    Heck once you do it, you'll realize it's not as dark a secret as everyone makes it out to be. it's actually even fun!
     
  9. windyhill

    windyhill Sponsor

    Re: 3.73's to high

    Our 67 has 3:73, T14 and v6 and It screams! It only has 27" tires and we can do a one wheel burn out for a 100 feet in second! Not that we do.;) Has crappy crawl ratio, can hardly use it off road which is what we use it for. with 33's it would suck! for on road, I can't say because ours hasn't been for years
     
  10. JeepTherapy

    JeepTherapy Sponsor

    Re: 3.73's to high

    I won't go as far as saying it is fun as the parts really push the envelope of my lifting capability. But it certainly isn't that hard. Follow the directions. Get a decent starting point from existing and read the patterns adjust accordingly. The pattern and the available pattern guides tell exactly what to do to correct.
     
  11. lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

    Re: 3.73's to high

    I run 33s and 3.73s. On road... well, it's pretty slow off the line. (Used to be pretty quick when I had the 28" tires :D ) It's not great, but it's tolerable.

    On the highway, I cruise at 65 at about 2250 rpms.

    Red line??? I never even get close to it on road... maybe occasionally offroad while trying a steep obstacle, and then only if absolutely necessary...

    I do have a swapped in T18, so that gives me a respectable/useful crawl ratio of 59:1. In reality, for the wheelin I do, I seldom need it to be that deep... but those few times that I do need it, it's great to have. :D

    For you, JRC, I'd say easiest would be to do a TeraLow gearset in the D18, giving you a more useful crawl ratio. Beyond that, I'd suggest a tranny swap to a unit with a granny gear, maybe even in combination with the TeraLow.
    I'd leave the axle gears as they are.
     
  12. AKCJ

    AKCJ Active Member

    Re: 3.73's to high

    I started with the 3.73s but they really aren't meant for and don't work that well with 33" tires. I reasoned that I had to go into the axles to put in the lockers so. . . . I went ahead and switched to the 4.10s. I find it to be almost perfect. In fact the speedometer is right on. If I had to do it over I would go with the 4.27s but now we're splitting hairs. IMO 4.88s are a bit low unless you're in to rock crawling.

    Those low gear kits for the t-case are really expensive and your gearing would still be too high when you're in hi range which is most of the time.
     
  13. sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

    Re: 3.73's to high

    I strongly disagree with that statement there. I rarely (if ever) have the Jeep in 4 high off-road. I was going to say it depends on where you wheel, but I can't recall wheeling anywhere that I didn't want the extra torque and control that low range offered me.

    I can't disagree with your assessment of the 3.73 gears as they are fast but I can't find enough fault with them to spend the $$. I still manage to go everywhere MOP and Jayhawkclint go with 4.88 gears and Dondo with 5.38 gears while I only have a T86 3.73 gears and 33" tires...

    I don't want to make it sound like I'm a fan of the 3.73 gears and a three speed. Quite the contrary. My TJ had 4.10 gears in the axles and a crawl ratio in the mid-upper 40s. I've driven MOP's Jeep and Dondo's Jeeps and my own previous CJ-5 off-road as well. 4.88 gears and 5.38 gears do wonderfully. BUT if I'd listened to every forum or e-mail list I would've taken the 3.73 gears out and put in 5.38s and a four speed trans before I even went wheeling. Turns out I have just as much fun without those things and it cost a lot less money. So what I'm saying is, wheel it first and evaluate your needs after you experience first-hand what you'll be doing. Then you'll know what your needs are and how to spend your $$$ wisely.

    :beer:
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2007
  14. JeepsRcool

    JeepsRcool Member

    Re: 3.73's to high

    thanks again sparky. i am just thinking to hard. i need to get it on the road then evaluate. thanks
     
  15. AKCJ

    AKCJ Active Member

    Re: 3.73's to high

    I hear ya Sparky. I was really saying that overall we spend more time in high range - like going to the store or school or to the trail head.
     
  16. jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

    Re: 3.73's to high

    for our type of terrain, deserts and mountains, you would be better off with lower axle gears
    4.27 or 4.88
    that's my opinion
    also, I've only known low gears all my life...
    I might be biased on the subject :D
     
  17. Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

    Re: 3.73's to high

    Sparkey is right – you need to evaluate your terrain, your rig, your driving style. Living in CO about the only thing I don’t do is play in the swamps, a beaver pond or 2 OK :) Then match things up based on how you feel.
     
  18. sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

    Re: 3.73's to high

    Ah, the 3.73 gears shine there, they aren't a hindrance. Same overall gearing as 4.88 w/ an OD roughly. :)