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231 Intake Manifold any good?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by trickpatrick, Nov 9, 2007.

  1. Nov 9, 2007
    trickpatrick

    trickpatrick Done? LOL

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    I have searched but no joy.

    I read an old thread that mentioned the 231 intake and carb,
    was a bad choice over the 225 setup.

    I just freashened up a set from a donor 231, to bolt up today.
    And then read this ,any thoughts on this being a bad idea?

    If there is a thread on this would appreciate the link.
    I couldnt find anything, but...
     
  2. Nov 9, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Depends on the 231 whether it'll even work, we've talked about it plenty in the past so I'd guess you saw that, but there is also the tech section has an article specifically on what swaps between the 225 and 231.
     
  3. Nov 9, 2007
    trickpatrick

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    I have a 231 intake from a oddfire 77.
    And it bolts up with the 231 gasket.
    got that info here:)

    I read a thread somewhere else where someone who should know, take with a grain of salt.

    That the 231 intake and carb were bad performers compared to the original 225 parts.
    i have been assuming the larger 2v carb and intake was a smart choice now this has me woundering if I am shooting it in the foot...
     
  4. Nov 9, 2007
    sparky

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    So it'll swap.

    I've not done it myself but can't imagine much of a gain unlike going to a 4bbl intake and Holley 4bbl. Dunno what you'd loose, the carburetor is arguably more complicated though as I recall. I have one at home.

    JMO, and $0.02 that may not even be worth that since I don't have real world experience. :)
     
  5. Nov 9, 2007
    trickpatrick

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    Well best info so far seems to imply that a 231 went to dual plane intake at some point and then of course you lose some low end torque.

    This maybe when they went evenfire which wouldnt fit well ,if at all anyway.

    I have a single plane from my donor car75 oddfire skyhawk.
    The carb is bigger, still 2v, still very simple ,compared to 4bl.

    I like the EGR in theory.

    Should be fine I think figures you allways find something to make you stop right before you bolt it on.
     
  6. Nov 9, 2007
    sparky

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    Compared to what 4BBL? From what I've seen the Truck Avenger 470 is no more complicated than the stock 2G and arguably easier to work on as I watched Clint pull the float bowl off and clean jets in a parking lot with no linkages to fuss with. :)

    I was just thinking looking at the 231 2G I had it had a lot more doodads on it than the stock 2G did, vacuum lines and the like. Maybe I've got a later one.

    :shrug: Like I said, I can't see any advantage to it, and added a disclaimer that I've not done it. My take is that it's not worth doing for "performance sake" unless you happen to have one sitting around and there's something wrong with what's on there.

    Try it and let us know.
     
  7. Nov 9, 2007
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    Haven't seen a dual plane manifold from the factory on a 231 yet. Doesn't mean there wasn't one but I know my '80 231 isn't and the ones I've taken apart weren't. Nickmil
     
  8. Nov 9, 2007
    trickpatrick

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    Yea I wouldnt know on the holly.
    Done lots of GM and Edelbrock but no holly.

    I made the switch because the original was shot.
    Just didnt want to go backwards performance wise.

    And read a thread that said they were garbage and it made me start to think to much..

    I think it will be fine...
     
  9. Nov 9, 2007
    sparky

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    Go for it. Not like it's hard to find a replacement if it doesn't work well for you.
     
  10. Nov 9, 2007
    trickpatrick

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    Thanks for the moral support.

    Its going in now.

    Wont start till spring but anyway 1 more thing done.
     
  11. Nov 9, 2007
    bobracing

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    The difference is the ports in '79. pre '79 has "lowport" heads and the '79 and later have "highport" heads.
    A '79 and later manifold can be bolted onto a pre '78 with the '79 gasket.

    What it comes down to is the '79 heads flow better than the '78.

    As for the stock carb, loved the one I had on a '78 stock 231. Yes, all the emissions and excess vacuum lines were plugged but was a very nice trail engine that got good mileage and would run a weird angles.
    Then I got stupid with a Al intake, big cam, and holley 425cfm carb. BAD IDEA. I'd stay fairly close to stock for a cam, stock intake and if you must change to a holley, first choice would be a 2bl, 350cfm or 390 4bl, heard 500cfm 2bl work good but seems a bit much for to me.
     
  12. Nov 10, 2007
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    I think you have some of the Dual Plane - Single Plane intake info backwards. I run Edelbrock Dual Plane Intakes on the 231's and Offy Duals for the 225's with the exception of the Kenne Bell Number One single plane intake I have. As a general rule the singles are known for the added HP of the higher end of the RPMs where the duals have more power in the lower RPMs. I have seen a big low end torque gain when we took a Holley single plane off and put the dual plane on.
     
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