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Good deal or should I pass? Need help figuring asking price

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by yzergod, Jul 27, 2004.

  1. Jul 27, 2004
    yzergod

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    I have a guy near me that saw my posts and wants the soft top and soft doors off of the pile of CJ5 I have. I have some pics posted here in the garage section. He also wants the windshield frame and glass. All he has to trade is a complete front D44 w/ 4.10's from a Waggy and an extra set of 4.10's for another D44. I don't know how bad or if the front axle on the CJ5 is bad, in fact I don't know much about it at all other than it is a Dana 30 with some Warn manual hubs.

    So, would the front D44 be a good swap in? Does it measure the same and what work is involved? What does a good D44 run? Also, what is the difference between a Waggy D44 and a CJ narrow track D44? I have seen windshields & frames go for about $100 to $200 and mine is in very good condition with solid glass. What should I ask for it? And even though the soft top/doors have some cracks, it is 100% complete. What would it be worth? I just don't want to get taken.

    Thanks for all the help guys!!
     
  2. Jul 27, 2004
    James P. Enderwies

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    yzergod: I am far from an expert in this, but the D30 that you have is 1.75" wider than a stock D27. I think the waggy D44 is even wider. A D30 with Wran Hubs is just about as good as you can get for a "normally" opperated Off-Road Jeep. The D44 would be nice, but you'd probably have to have it cut down unless you wanted to go Real Wide.

    Bottom Line: "HE" would be gitting a great deal. :shock: Hold out for more $$ and/or trade, unless you want to trade off your new goodies for something more practical.

    Just my $.02 worth.
     
  3. Jul 27, 2004
    yzergod

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    So, would the D30 front and the AMC 20 rear I have be the same width? I see that AMC 20's are cheap compared to other axles, why is that? TIA.
     
  4. Jul 27, 2004
    James P. Enderwies

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    yzergod: Well, now you got me there. Not familiar with the AMC 20. Prolly the same width, or close, to the D30. The reason that D44's are not as cheap as the AMC 20's is that they are tough and proven axels. More "stuff" offered for them. You can get anything for a D44.

    For our Jeep's, it's hard to beat a D44 rear axle. The old one's can be upgraded with solid axels, full floated or flanged.

    HTH.
     
  5. Jul 27, 2004
    Boyink

    Boyink Super Moderator Staff Member

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    FWIW I got around $225 for a used Bestop Supertop on eBay - windows were good but it had several patches from a rollover.

    Personally I wouldn't deal with drivetrain parts in trade until you get a better grip on what you have and need. It seems that things like axles start to grow out of nowhere when it comes to Jeep parts. Wait long enough and you'll have 3-4 sets...(right Jon?)

    AMC 20's have gotten a bad wrap, but there's a 1-pc axle kit for them that makes them D44 strong. Plenty of upgrades for the D30 as well.

    Go for $$ to fund the buildup, or get a definite parts needed list going before horse trading.
     
  6. Jul 27, 2004
    DanStew

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    I think it is a goo ddeal. The Waggie axles with 4.10s in them are really good. i think the gears maybe aftermarket, becuase i am not sure if the waggie axles had those gears. if you get them adn want to install them you are ahead of the game because the gearing will not be much of an issue.
     
  7. Jul 27, 2004
    yzergod

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    Wise words. Thanks. I like the fact that I can find 10 AMC 20's for the price of one D44. As was stated in another thread, the current trend of "bigger/stronger" makes for a lot of stock parts availble for cheap.

    Thanks guys!
     
  8. Jul 27, 2004
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    When you get to the point of looking into a drive train for the 2A I have several T90 - D18 setups. I also have a friend with the 'right' axles (25 and 27 front - 41 and 44 rear) with the 'right' gears in them for cheap to rebuild.

    Don't swap for what you don't know you want. You'll never make head way doing that.

    :stout:
     
  9. Jul 28, 2004
    timgr

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    Re the AMC or "corporate" 20, it's a passenger car axle adapted to Jeep use. It also came in the full-size wagons in the '80s, but with a wider width and different axles. As well as breaking the axles, I understand the 20 also has a problem with the axle tubes twisting in the housing under heavy load. Not a bad axle - just not as good as the Dana 44 it replaced.

    Even the Dana 44 can be broken under severe use. If you upgrade from the 20, you'll want to use a Dana 44 from a '72-75 CJ, which will have the right width and the desirable and strong 1-piece axles. The wagon axles, as Jim wrote, will be WIDE and you won't be able to drive on the street without some really silly looking fender flares.

    The Dana 30 is good - maybe the best available without some expensive custom work. The front Dana 44 from a Scout II may be better, but I think it won't just bolt in (plus you're not likely to get it free or cheap).

    4.10 was an optional stock ratio for wagons with a 6 cyl and T18.
     
  10. Jul 28, 2004
    michigan_pinstripes

    michigan_pinstripes I'm not lost, I'm wandering

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    :rofl: Oh come on!! Its not that bad!!!

    Ummm, *counting in head* --- not including what's on Putt Putt:
    1 AMC 20
    1 D44 offset-floater
    1 D44 offset -flanged
    1 D44 centered- PowrLoc
    1 D35
    1 D27

    :oops: Hi, my name is Jon, and I'm strung out on axles! :D
     
  11. Jul 28, 2004
    yzergod

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    Cool deal! I'll have to come up "shopping" soon! ;)

    Thanks!!
     
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