Power steering bracket/info

My wife recently picked up a 75 CJ5 with the 232 that's going to be wheeler/weekend cruiser and her only gripe is the lack of power steering, especially crawling through the woods, does anyone know where I could find a passenger side pump bracket for this thing so I can keep her from getting gorilla arms, really don't need her beating me any more than she does lol!

I know I could move the alternator to the pass side and from what i can tell get a different water pump/ timing cover and put PS on the drivers side, but that just seems like a lot of work..... Thanx for any and all help!

 

IIRC the only passenger side pump bracket was used with the '73 or earlier AMC sixes. I suspect that this setup will not be aligned with the pulleys and belts on the '75 engine. I recall a '75 should have the brackets like are on my '77 J-10:



The alternator is on the passenger side, and the power steering is on the driver's side.

Pretty sure you will need everything from the donor engine to make it work - water pump, pulleys, brackets, PS pump, hoses, steering gear, steering gear bracket.

Note that the Jeep PS gear uses three bolts, and the manual steering bracket only has three tabs. The 4-bolt gear will fit the 3-bolt frame bracket, but it's not as strong as the 4-bolt PS frame bracket. And these frame brackets are hard to come by.

I would think the easiest source for these parts would be a YJ 258 donor in the bone yard somewhere. Again, I'd take everything off the front of the engine. Pretty sure a 4.0L donor won't work, because the nose of the crank is different on a 4.0L.

Just a comment - lots of owners what to convert their six cylinder Jeeps to power steering. The question has come up a few times here. The usual problem is they source some of the PS parts from the donor, and find that they are not compatible with whatever parts they now have. They had assumed that they can take the PS bracket and pump and just bolt it on to their engine. This is why I suggest that you take everything from the front of the donor engine. I don't know what all you actually need to do the conversion, but if you have everything, you are sure to have the parts you will need.

Note also that the PS bracket bolts to the intake manifold, so I believe that you will either have to use an intake manifold from a Jeep with PS, or machine and tap the older manifold to accept the PS bracket. The newer 258 manifolds will bolt on to the 232, but they are 2V manifold and you will need both intake and exhaust.

Maybe it would be easier to drop in a 4.0L from an XJ or TJ that has more power than the 232 and supports the accessories that you want? Plus you'd get fuel injection in the bargain. I would look for a pre-91 XJ 4.0L donor with Renix fuel injection (cheap), and run it with a Megasquirt computer.

 

Thank you for all the info! I kind figured it wouldn't be a straight swap but I was hoping lol, I had googled CJ power steering and found images of what looked like a bracket that would bolt to the the existing holes on the pass side of her 232 but figured it would be hard to come by, I've actually got a 93 4.0 on an engine stand in my barn, that may need a home, I just figured I'd see what's out there. We may make another trip to the bone yard, she enjoyed looking for parts last time..... Any other info or leads are ALWAYS appreciated!

 

Well, looking at my parts book, it's '74 and older that locates the PS pump on the passenger side. This setup uses crazy long hoses. If you can find the parts, the pump uses two brackets that bolt to the engine block, and the crank pulley bolts to the front of the existing crank pulley. I'm not sure that the '75 crank pulley will work with this ... maybe.

This setup will be hard to source, I expect. Maybe try the AMC car sites?

 

yeah, the hoses and stuff are all on rock auto i believe, if i was looking at the right stuff, so i think i could source the stuff IF i could find a brackets.....

 

Last time I posted these pic's was around 2008 and the thread no longer has the link so I'll post them up again. They made a bracket from steel that looked pretty good based on these images and dimensions.

 

Dave, do you still have these photos? I'm unable to view them.

 

I agree, I pulled many parts from I believe an amc hornet. If you can find a donor for the engine parts, the steering gear is easier as it can be sourced from a ton of different donors from j trucks to caprices. On that note, check input and output shaft compatibility and floated vs o ring gear fittings.

Shifting the alternator to the pass side is sure ideal though, giving the opportunity to upgrade the alternator to a Delco remy 10si or 12/si while keeping the ps lines simpler.

 

I hope I'm not out of line by replying but I as well would benifit greatly from seeing those pics. swaping the gear box out is as far as I've gotten with the PS conversion so far. My 74 has drivers side alternator, 258 cube.

 

Perfectly in line. Looking at Dave74's profile, he was around recently. You might try PMing him.The site will now host pictures without requiring a hosting site. If he posts again directly to the site, they should stay around as long as the forum exists.

I can show you the parts book.



Apparently the hoses are available aftermarket. You'd need to fab the brackets and make some way to mount the pulley to the front of the crank pulley the way the factory does. I'd check the hot rod sites first for ideas. Unlikely you will find a donor for these parts.

 

He sent me the pictures in a direct message. I will attemp to post them this evening.

 

Here's the images that I got from dave74.

 

Here are the rest of what he sent me.

 

Timgr, thanks again for sharing your vast knowledge with us Plebians ( me ). The Schematic is awsome. I hope I dont have to fab too much stuff up but I can do it if necessary. Now I'm getting fired up on finishing this project. IH, man you really labored to post all those pics up again. I hope you are not anything like me on a PC, slow, slow, and slower. I just started to be semi-proficiant on the hosting site to get my pics together on here but looks like I'll be learning things all over again. Thanks a million again, IH for getting those pics on the thread for all to see and thanks to Dave74 for compiling them and by the looks of the tape position, very accuratley in diminsion as well. Wow, there is really a myriad of mounting hardware there. I had no idea.

Many thanks to all CC

 

This scheme is a little different in design from yours tim but looks identical to Dave74's pics. I found several brackets on ebay that are of this genis. They look like they would work but the seller informed me they were off a 74 fs. Would there be any difference if they were both 258's and right side mounts?

 

Do you have a picture or link to the one you're looking at?

 

FSJ and CJ should be the same in this area, for the same year. From a 232 or 258 passenger car should work too, as long as it's LHD. The AMC engines were taken directly from the existing AMC passenger cars, with minor changes for use in Jeeps.

Looks like that picture is taken from the '62-73 J-series parts catalog, available here. Jeep® Parts Manuals online
Since that book is up to '73, the '74 CJ picture from my book may be slightly different. Looks like the bracket design changes; likely the '74 bracket is cheaper to make than the earlier cast bracket. Should be bolt-in compatible if you get all the pieces from the same year.

 

IH, the one I purchased is the same as Dave74's pic with the tape measure next to them. #10.449-1. The seller also has the bracket 10.445.5 from the illustration above that I posted. If I could get #10.448-1 I would be in business. I realize that I am piecing this package together instead of finding a doner with all the parts but I'm feeling some desperation about finishing the conversion. Thanks Tim, I was hoping for a response in my favor. If I can just find the correct pullys...