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Renagade Yellow Paint Question?

Discussion in 'Intermediate CJ-5/6/7/8' started by Allan, Nov 25, 2019.

  1. Nov 25, 2019
    Allan

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    I am trying to get the opinion of the forum. I am restoring a 1974 Jeep renegade, Dana 30 front, t-15 three speed,Dana 20 transfer case, Dana 60 rear, power steering, 304 v8
    All original and original renegade yellow, original tire size!

    Question?

    Do I keep it Renegade yellow or can I paint or should I paint it what I want, or is that not honoring the vehicle the way it should. If that makes any sense to anyone
     
  2. Nov 25, 2019
    Beach66Bum

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    Well, I have to say stay with the yellow. I have my reasons...:D:whistle:
     
  3. Nov 26, 2019
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    My opinion: Yellow is not my favorite color but if it came from the factory yellow I would keep it that way.
     
  4. Nov 26, 2019
    timgr

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    JMO - the 1974 Renegade Yellow is a terrific color and very distinctive. Your Jeep will be much more valuable if you keep the original color and stripes.

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    (Almost green, depending on the lighting, your eyes and idea of color. Some call it green.)

    Are you adding a Dana 60, or do you think the original axle is a Dana 60? It's not.
     
  5. Nov 26, 2019
    Allan

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    I think they ordered it with the Dana 60, no build sheet but everything else is very original, I wish I knew for sure. Thank you for the input on color
     
  6. Nov 26, 2019
    timgr

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    That's a very interesting feature. Do you have a picture? The Dana 44 that is original is the same shape, just not as massive as the Dana 60. Flanged axle or free-floater?
     
  7. Nov 26, 2019
    Allan

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    Correct, yes I will post a pic, of the Dana 60, or whole Jeep, I will post one, flanged 6 bolt
     
  8. Nov 26, 2019
    Allan

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    So you are saying they could not have been ordered with the Dana 60?
     

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    timgr

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    With Jeep, I wouldn't say never. However, there's no factory 60 for the CJ in existence except for a few DRW trenchers from the 60s. The only 60 available in 1974 from Jeep was the full floater used in the J20. Jeep did have a flanged Dana 60, the 60-2, used in the late 60s in the "heavy-half-ton" Jeep trucks. This axle was a 5-lug flanged axle, but way too wide for a CJ. I don't see how you could have a 60 without it being a custom-built axle, installed after the original sale.

    How do you know it's a 60? Were you told that or have you measured the pumpkin and compared it to a 44? They look the same except for size. Or seen the 60 cast-in to the housing that indicates a 60? The parts book shows four Dana 44 rear axles for the 1974 CJ-5, 8125089 and 8125055 (3.73 ratio, LSD or open resp.) and 8125087 or 8125088 (4.27 ratio, LSD or open resp.). The axle should have a tag under the cover bolts with one of these numbers.

    I like your Jeep! (y)
     
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  10. Nov 26, 2019
    Alan28

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    Yellow is a nice color if you like insects in Summer.
    Commercially, it is good to keep the original color if you have it exactly. It is more "collector" of course.
     
  11. Nov 26, 2019
    Allan

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    I am only going off the 6 bolt vs 4, the crown parts book shows same axle size bearings but the 60 with a larger ring and pinion, I didn’t know the 44s came with a 6 bolt flange, this has a 6 bolt axle flange
     
  12. Nov 26, 2019
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    This is from the Jeep Corp factory parts book. Model 80 is the CJ. Looks like 6 bolts to me. The listing also shows 12 bolts for the axle.

    Aftermarket parts listings are often wrong. The '76-up backing plate for the model 20 rear axle has 4 - likely that's where the bad info is coming from.
     
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    No
     
  15. Nov 27, 2019
    Allan

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  16. Nov 27, 2019
    Allan

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    Ok so that makes sense, at any rate the Dana 44 6 bolt has to be a better rear end than the 4 bolt, what years and was it just the v8 renegades they used the 6 bolt on?
     
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    My opinion, keep the original color.
    It's a unique color.
    Unless you just don't like it.
     
  18. Nov 27, 2019
    timgr

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    All '74 CJs have Dana 44s. Jeep used the flanged 44 in CJs starting in about 1970, continuing through 1975. There is nothing special about a V8 axle, or a Renegade axle. The drivetrain of a Renegade is no different from the drivetrain of any V8 CJ-5 of the same year.

    In 1976, Jeep switched from the Dana 44 for the rear axle of CJs to the AMC Corporate axle, the 20. The 20s have more issues than just two fewer bolts on the flange, which I would guess is not functionally significant. There were lots of changes for 1976 - a complete redesign by AMC. The intermediates, built 1972-75, were a partial refresh by AMC where they lengthened the engine compartment to accommodate their excellent inline 6s, and updated components like steering, axles and and brakes. Almost everything changes for 1976.
     
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  19. Nov 27, 2019
    Allan

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    So you are saying that all Dana 44s had a 6 bolt axle flange?
     
  20. Nov 27, 2019
    timgr

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    That would be a reasonable conclusion. Pretty sure Dana had no reason to change that over the years.

    The drawing above also covers other Jeep vehicles with the Dana 44, and there's no difference between the years or models in the drawing or parts listing. All the same re flange bolts.
     

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