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#1 cylinder reads "0" Compresion

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by campwillys, Jan 16, 2005.

  1. Jan 16, 2005
    campwillys

    campwillys Member

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    Hi all I' bought a 59 willys jeep with plow in restorable condition, but it runs rough. It Came with another jeep in way better condition acording to the guy. Hes supposed to bring me the other 1 tuesday or wednesday thats just missing the engine everything else is good as it was a driver before engine was pulled. Got the 2 jeeps for $501.00 of ebay last week. I think its a good deal. Now to my problem. I just did a compression test on all cylinders the readings are as follows: #1=0 #2=95
    #3=95 #4=105 it runs rough (very rough) but stays idling. The guy I got it from has used it in this condition for plowing only for 6 years (as there are no brakes it looks like where the master cylinder goes he has something rigged to lift n lower blade on plow he uses plowblade for brake and now so do I LOL)so he says. It still plows fine as I did my camp driveway with it. Is there a way to reorder the distributor wires so that it will run on the 3 cylinders smother till warm weather comes to do a ringjob or inspect further Its ticking loudly. It is not the original motor but it is a willy jeep motor he got it from a junkyard it is a 4 cylinder engine with a firing order of 1-3-4-2 with a willys jeep head. (willys and jeep and other stuff stamped on head) It doesnt look like my 65 kaiser eng as carb placement is high on the willy and low on the kaiser. Funny my Kaiser has a melted piston and hole in cylinder wall in the number 1 cylinder. Was this a prob with lubrication or was this common failure. I put oil in cylinder and it still read zero. Is this a stuck valve? I'm Looking for advise on what to do. How long does it take to do a ringjob on the four. thanks guys Loving this forum so far lots of info here.
     
  2. Jan 16, 2005
    termin8ed

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    I'm sure someone will pipe up on a better solution, but sounds like possibly the valves are bad on that cyl. Specially with the ticking you hear.
    Just a guess.

    As far as the plug wires, don't think there is anyway around that one. the distributor wants to fire on 4 cylinders, so there's no way to get around it. Pull the valve cover and see if there's any carnage inside??

    Any pics of the engine? that would help. L-head(flathead), F-head(overhead valve)
     
  3. Jan 16, 2005
    campwillys

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    Ok ill pull off valve cover and take a look I been refreshing the page every 5 in hopeing some1 responds thanks
     
  4. Jan 16, 2005
    justin

    justin New Member

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    Even with engine damage, sounds like you got a deal - 2 jeeps for 500??? Wish I could find one of those.
    My guess : 2 options 1) dead cylinder i.e. piston not moving -- conrod broken, pull oil pan loose and see if the conrod and crankshaft has any damage. 2) valve(s) dead i.e. valve is either broke or stuck -- pull valve cover turn engine over and watch for valve movement.
    Did the engine sit for any amount of time?? Older engines like to have a valves stick occasionally. If it is a stuck valve, try 2 things. Put Marvel mystery oil on it to unstick it, then use a can of seafoam to re-lubricate and break in engine.
     
  5. Jan 16, 2005
    campwillys

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    Will do thanks will look into it more tomarrow afternoon
     
  6. Jan 16, 2005
    kamel

    kamel Senior Curmudgeon

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    I would look for the simplest solution.

    Too many times we start with the most complicated or serious solution.

    It used to run OK, and while that may have been several years ago, it probably ought to run again without tearing everything apart.

    First, I'd try to put some Marvel mystery oil in the cylinder. If a valve is rusted open the oil should seep down into the valve guide area and perhaps loosen things up.

    If that doesn't do the trick, I'd pop off both valve covers and look to see if the valve isn't simply stuck.

    Marvel mystery oil or some penetrating oil on the valve springs could loosen it enough to make it work.

    I have had a jeep and an M-37 that had 0 compression on all four (or six)

    I got them running using this technique. With the M-37 I worked it 'till I got 4 of six cylinders with some compression and fired it up. Shortly thereafter it began running fine. After that it took some fooling with it to get it running each time, but at the end of a week or so of letting it idle for a while the valves were loose enough so that it would start right up.

    I'd try to start it outside, and not in the garage, just in case the carb backfires....
     
  7. Jan 16, 2005
    campwillys

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    its a flathead 4 engine lol I forgot it dont have valve covers I guess I'll have to pull head off
     
  8. Jan 16, 2005
    w3srl

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    Before you pull the head off, I'd suggest pulling the side cover off. This is the cover down under the manifolds where it is nice and easy to get to. :rofl: Once you have the cover off, check the backlash in each lifter. You should have a barely perceptible amoutn of play in the lifter before it contacts the end of the valve, something like .020. You will have to bump the engine over a coupla times to check all of the valves on all 4 cylinders.

    I had an L-134 that had some very worn lifters in it and they simply would not stay adjusted. I'd set them and put the cover back on and in 5-10 miles the Jeep could barely get out of its own way. 5 out of 8 lifters would work their way back out of adjustment to where the valves barely opened!

    My jury-rigged solution was crude but effective; I cut little slices of 1/4" rubber fuel line hose and put a slit down one side of each piece. Then i slipped the hose over the threaded part of the adjuster bolt on the individual lifters and then put a tiny worm-drive hose clamp over the hose and tightened it down on the adjusted valve. No more lifters creeping out of adjustment! I drove that Jeep for another 2-3 years that way! :D
     
  9. Jan 16, 2005
    campwillys

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    thats a good tip that ill use thank you :stout:
     
  10. Jan 16, 2005
    timgr

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    Sitting a long time -> stuck valve. That would be the simplest explanation.
     
  11. Jan 17, 2005
    kamel

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    Yeah - the valve cover on an L head is on the side, just belog the exhaust/intake manifolds.

    When putting the valve cover back on, it would be best to try to either get or make a new one and use some gasket sealer.

    This side cover is particularly prone to leaking.

    Y'know, with an L head, when you look into the cylinder through the spark plug hole you are looking at the exhaust valve top. My experience is that the exhaust valve is usually the culprit in a stuck valve situation.

    What I did once with that jeep L head that had no compression was, once I had a lot of Marvel Mystery Oil in it for a day or so, to crank the engine until the valve lifter was down, and then tap on the top of the valve with a hammer and a metal rod through the spark plug hole. Now, don't pound on it, but some gentle tapping along with the Marvel could shove that valve down. Then crank the engine and it'll shove the valve up. Crank 'till the lifter is down and then tap on it again.

    Cycling through this several times did two things; first it freed up the valve enough so that it would begin to go up and down by itself, and second it splattered Marvel Oil all over the place - watch your eyes.

    good luck

    kamel
     
  12. Jan 17, 2005
    campwillys

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    i dont know what engine i have other than its different from my 65kaiser both are 4 cylinders both flat 4s the kaiser has plugs on side of engine and the willys has plugs on top of head with a cone shape hole the plugs go into. Its is an engine that was not the original is that enough info for you to tell me what engine I have? It has willys jeep and a bunch of stuff stamped on the head.
     
  13. Jan 17, 2005
    Glenn

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    The '65 Kaiser should have an F-head in it, the intake valves are in the head, the exhaust valves are in the block. The spark plugs would be in the side of the head.
     
  14. Jan 17, 2005
    campwillys

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    thanks I have a L then.
     
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