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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Mudweiserjeep, Jan 20, 2005.

  1. Jan 20, 2005
    Mudweiserjeep

    Mudweiserjeep JEEP: Bouncy and Fun

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    Has anyone here used a :v6: 225 V6 dauntless crate motor?
    Is it a short or long block?
    Any input would be great.
    Thanks.
     
    Mudweiserjeep, Jan 20, 2005
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  2. Jan 20, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    Not sure what you mean by a 225 'Crate' motor, since the 225 hasn't been in production for many, many years. If you are fortunate enough to find one that has just been sitting since the 70's, then I would say at least a partial teardown/inspection would be in order before trying to use an engine that has been sitting that long. (especially since it is already out of the vehicle!)

    In engine-speak, a long-block is a nearly complete engine assembly that includes cylinder heads. The intake and exhaust manifolds, as well as water pump are sometimes included, as is the oil pan. One generally removes all the bolt-on accessories native to the original vehicle and transfers them over to the new engine.

    A short-block on the other hand, is simply that; Everything internal to the engine block and nothing more. The short-block is intended to give the mechanic the luxury of having a pre-assembled 'new' engine block assembly to save hime the time and trouble of rebuilding the engine's internals. The big engine rebuilding houses simply drop off the short block and come back a week later to reclaim the old block as a rebuildable 'core'.
     
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    timgr

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    Yes, in case Steve's reply wasn't clear, a crate motor is a factory new replacement motor, not a rebuilt or remanufactured motor. They're typically motors that are currently in production, although you might be able to find a NOS crate motor of an engine that's no longer being built.

    The crate motors I've seen were meant as service parts for cars that are currently or recently in production. It's what you get when you take your car to the dealership and they install a new motor. New (crate) motors are also sold for marine apps (ie ski boats). My Dad bought a 454 crate motor from the local Chevy dealer and installed it in his '80 GMC pickup - cost about $1500 ca 1990. Came as a complete motor, but no carburetor or accessories.
     
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    lynn

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    Tim, just in case you're thinking about the 225 NOS motor on ebay... the seller has been here on this site, reneged on agreements, and isn't welcome here any longer.
    I wouldn't recommend dealing with him no matter how attractive the deal sounds.

    FWIW...
     
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    Mudweiserjeep

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    Sorry....more accurately A remanufactured engine is what I was wondering about.

    Thanks
     
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    sparky

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    Such as Jasper?

    You might try searching. We just had a lengthy discussion on some reman engines here recently.
     
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    Mudweiserjeep

    Mudweiserjeep JEEP: Bouncy and Fun

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    Thanks sparky. Turned up 2 other than this one. Sounded like most advised against and favored the rebuild. I am all for the rebuild, a good freind said he would help me with the rebuild but Free Jeep time is against me. Also not knowing a local shop that I have trust in. I guess I need to do some Rebuild shop shopping.
     
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    Warloch

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    Mud - some advice on looking for a shop. Talk to fellow jeepers if possible. Look for a small shop that some of the smaller local race guys use. When looking for someone to work on a 225 - look for a shop that's been around a while. I had to find a new shop (my 'old' guy died at 84 - heart attack in the shop - wife said he died happy doing what he loved). I found one using all but the first above and he even knew some tricks on upping the oil preasure with some milling on the pump area.

    Been real happy with everything he does.
     
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    Colorado Ron

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    Im goin to get a V6 today for $150 in Denver. Sure would be interested in the rebuilder you use down there in the Springs. Might need him!
     
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    w3srl

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    FWIW I had a good experience with the one and only Jasper engine I installed. It was a bone-stock 318 Chrysler short-block that I added a Crane "Blueprint" cam that was supposed to be a copy of the factory 340 cam. Put about 30k on it before trading the vehicle in, no problems whatsoever.
     
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    Chuck

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    I was wondering what happen to him. He never did give a straight answer to any questions.
     
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    sparky

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    There's some explanation in the E-bay section now regarding a NOS 225 on e-bay now.
     
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    Mcruff

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    As a point of reference for anybody shopping for a machine shop to do engine work, here are several things to use as a guide. If they won't show you the shop pass it by!!!!!!!!!!
    1) Make sure the shop is relatively clean, and I mean clean, a dirty shop will make a shi$$y motor.
    2) Check out the guy doing the works tools, if they looked tossed on the bench versus setting on there clean and neatly organized.
    3) Look at the machinery doing the work, make sure it looks decent, without oil and chips all over it.
    4) Look at some of the other engines in the shop.
    5) Talk to them about your motor and tell them exactly what you want and then ask for there recommendations.
    6) Were they willing to listen to you or not!!
    7) When you get your motor back from them, will it be bagged and sealed air tight with a light coat of rust preventative on it like it should be.


    I farmed all my engine machine work out but did the assembly, fitting, porting and polishing myself!!
    And as a point of reference good machine shops will be cleaner than Moms kitchen on baking day at Christmas any day of the year!! Every shop I ever worked in but one you could almost eat off the floor. That 1 shop I only worked in until I could find a real shop to work in that was clean and well lit!!!!!!!!!
     
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    w3srl

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    Amen Mike!
     
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    Warloch

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    Ron
    Lee’s Automotive Machine Shop
    407 Auburn Drive
    Colorado Springs, CO 80909
    719-574-6322

    McRuff has some good points I looked for but didn’t list. These guys shop is small, most business is conducted in the machine shop while others are working. The shop is clean and orderly, price list is explicit. If it’s something simple you can even watch them do the work. The Heads guy even took my son back and showed him the tests on his heads and a good set that he just finished. Showed him what he was going to do and why.
     
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    Mudweiserjeep

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    I want to thank everyone for your advice. Thats what makes this place so great. I knew I could count on good input. I now have guidelines for finding a good shop.

    Thanks! :coffee:
     
    Mudweiserjeep, Jan 21, 2005
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