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Chevy oil pressure

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by speedbuggy, Feb 2, 2005.

  1. Feb 2, 2005
    speedbuggy

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    Just hooked up my new gauge. 60 psi cold idle, 45 psi warm. Sound good? I think it's great, but I can't find the operating range anywhere...
     
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    $ sink

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    sounds reasonable
     
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    JohnyJeep

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    My 4.3 runs about 50-55 cold idle and about 20-25 hot.
     
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    w3srl

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    Sounds good to me. I've always been told that 10 lbs. per 1000 RPM was a pretty good rule of thumb.
     
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    rocnrol

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    oh, sure............ take the words out of my mouth :p
     
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    45 at idle is more than sufficient. I usually only worry with a small block chevy if the oil pressure warm is lower than 15 psi. Dont get me wrong that is not ideal , but minimally sufficient
     
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    speedbuggy

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    I figured I was in good shape. Thanks guys!
     
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    mruta

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    I'm going to get a head start running away from the computer....

    I know of a reputable engine builder who will tell anyone that 3 PSI (yes 3) at idle is sufficient to keep your engine alive. I think his point is that the pressure at idle isn't as important as the pressure at higher speeds. I think 15 PSI at idle is plenty. I think my Chevy had 15-20 at idle when hot.
     
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    timgr

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    As I see it, you have two ways that you can read low pressure. The pressure comes from the difference of the rate of delivery (the oil pump) and the rate of leakdown (the bearings draining). As long as there is positive pressure, there has to be oil in the bearings. You can have low pressure either from the bearings being loose, or from the pump being worn. I'd guess if the oil film in the bearings is sufficiently thin (ie proper clearances) as long as you have some oil pressure, there will be no metal-to-metal contact. I'm guessing about the physics of the oil film - I'd assume that there is a critical oil film thickness that will resist the force of the piston firing. Certainly the oil pressure will be irrelevant during the power stroke, because the pressure of the rod on the crank will way exceed the oil pressure.

    So, I'd think low oil pressure would be ok if it's just the pump that's insufficient. I've heard of AMC 360s that have run for a long time with no indicated OP at hot idle - I'd assume that those engines have low OP because of pump wear, not bearing wear.
     
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    Growing up in the 60s and 70s and starting to find out about such things I always wanted at least 60 and would be happy if I could have got a 100 # of oil pressure. I imagine my disconsternation when I buy a new GM pickup with the then new throttle body fuel injection and it has 45# at higher rpm and bareley 20# at idle. The service manager who was a friend explained that it was something that auto manufactorers learned from Jap cars and the aluminum blocks they have. Seems that all those years we've washing our bearings out by keeping the oil pressures high. Seems that high volume pumps and not really high pressure pumps were the way to go. He said that the manufactorers found that less than 10# was needed at idle and 10# per 1000 rpm were all thatwere needed. Now I didn't know if this was so but I put more than 200K on that truck and owned several others that I put like miles on them. I remember in the old days seemed like we were always putting rings and inserts and bearings after about 60 to 80K. Maybe something to it.
     
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    w3srl

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    Boy does this open a can of worms, but here goes. In my work as a firefighter, we routinely get into (sometimes heated) discussions with guys from other departments about the pressure vs. volume thing. With fighting fires, BOTH are important, as you need enough pressure to overcome the friction loss in getting the water to the fire, and once it gets there, you need the water volume to create steam, which in turn absorbs the heat from the fire to make it go out. So which is more important? Neither. They are both equally important. To give you an idea of what I'm talking about, we have fire hydrants in our town that have 100+ pounds of STATIC (no water moving) pressure on them. However when we open up one of the caps and actually do a flow test on it, we can only get 200-300 gallons per minute delivery out of it. Mind you, when flowing this same hydrant still shows ~80 pounds of RESIDUAL (water flowing) pressure on it. It has lots of pressure on it, just not much water! In this case the lines leading to that hydrant have tuberculated to the point where that old 8" water main only has about a 2" opening in it, causing a huge friction loss in the pipe.

    If we go across town to where the mains are newer, I have a hydrant that has about 80 pounds of static pressure on it, and our testing shows that this single hydrant will easily flow more than 1500 gallons per minute with about 30 pounds residual pressure. It has less pressure but way more volume on it. It sits on a 24" main that is only about 10 years old and is relatively clean inside.

    (A squirt gun produces impressive pressure, but not much volume!. Never take a squirt gun to a structure fire guys!)

    How does this apply to an oiling system? Easy. You can have a pump that provides 100 PSI oil pressure at idle, but it doesn't provide enough VOLUME to keep the bearings covered under load. (Think small pipe, or a squirt gun here) The crank and rods have to have that cusion of oil to ride on in order to not trash the bearing inserts. The high-volume pump on the other hand operates at half the pressure, but delivers MORE oil (Think BIG pipe here). This pump will keep the bearings covered under normal use.

    The correct application for a High-pressure oil pump is a specialized application where there is much higher than normal stress on the main/rod bearings, such as in a high RPM/High HP engine that perhaps has a supercharger on it. The high-pressure pump then produces enough pressure to keep the bearings covered under the higher bearing loads, and the engine spins fast enough all the time to keep the volume up there as well. We're talking an 8000 RPM engine here guys.

    Does this make sense to anyone?
     
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    lynn

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    Great analogy Steve, Thanks!! :)
     
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