1. Registration trouble? Please use the "Contact Us" link at the bottom right corner of the page and your issue will be resolved.
    Dismiss Notice

T-18 transfer case fitment

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by billybones, Aug 8, 2015.

  1. Aug 8, 2015
    billybones

    billybones New Member

    South Florida
    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2015
    Messages:
    7
    Does anyone know if a Dana 18 t-case from a 61 pickup(L-226)will fit a 69 CJ5 that came with an 18 also. I think the truck T-90 trans has a longer input shaft but what about the T case? The CJ is a F-head. Thanks
     
  2. Aug 8, 2015
    47v6

    47v6 junk wrecker! 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    USA
    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2006
    Messages:
    5,801
    The t-90 J(?) is the transmission with the longer input shaft for trucks and what you use for the 225 to t-90 conversion. The D18 should be the same as all the others, but I could and might be wrong.
     
  3. Aug 8, 2015
    timgr

    timgr We stand on the shoulders of giants. 2022 Sponsor

    Medford Mass USA
    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2003
    Messages:
    23,596
    The chart on the Novak site will tell you what used which transfer case - http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/transfer_case_gears_grid.htm

    The third row indicates the D18 (not T-18, that's a transmission) will fit F134 CJs through 1971. Measure the intermediate shaft diameter and look at the numbers on the gears to be sure.

    Welcome from Boston!
     
  4. Aug 8, 2015
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Apopka, Fl
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2002
    Messages:
    12,382
    I would think the only issue would be having the correct main drive gear, wouldn't it?
     
  5. Aug 8, 2015
    timgr

    timgr We stand on the shoulders of giants. 2022 Sponsor

    Medford Mass USA
    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2003
    Messages:
    23,596
    Yes, but if we are talking about CJ-5s, and 226 Utility Truck/Wagon, the only different input gear (10 spline) is for the CJ-5 V6, and the OP says he wants to match a CJ with a 134 (6 spline).
     
  6. Aug 8, 2015
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Apopka, Fl
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2002
    Messages:
    12,382
    I wonder about the accuracy of the years for the 26 versus 29 tooth drive gear.
     
  7. Aug 8, 2015
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Apopka, Fl
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2002
    Messages:
    12,382
    There is a 6 x 26 and a 6 x 29 for the T-90.
     
  8. Aug 8, 2015
    timgr

    timgr We stand on the shoulders of giants. 2022 Sponsor

    Medford Mass USA
    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2003
    Messages:
    23,596
    You can easily measure the intermediate shaft diameter and distinguish the 26 tooth from the 29 tooth case. And the chart claims that the 26 tooth case was never used for the CJ-5 or the 226 Wagon/Truck. The only way a '69 Jeep or a Utility would get the earlier case is if it were swapped in - unless the chart is wrong. But it's been posted like this for more than a decade, so I presume it's fairly well vetted.

    Maybe you are making this more complicated than it is?
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2015
  9. Aug 8, 2015
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Apopka, Fl
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2002
    Messages:
    12,382
    My CJ-5 is 26 tooth, it's a '60 and I bought it in '80. I'd be hard to convince it wasn't original to the Jeep.
     
  10. Aug 8, 2015
    timgr

    timgr We stand on the shoulders of giants. 2022 Sponsor

    Medford Mass USA
    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2003
    Messages:
    23,596
    Well, what does the parts book say? '60 is contemporary with the 3B, which apparently got the 26 tooth case. Does your TC have a tag? If it's missing a tag, then it's been out of the Jeep at least once before 1980.
     
  11. Aug 8, 2015
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Apopka, Fl
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2002
    Messages:
    12,382
    I've had the case out myself, first time early '80s but I don't remember if there was a tag ever on it. It certainly could have been removed before I got it, no argument on that. ;) The condition of the Jeep when I got it pretty much convinced me nothing was ever done to it. Around here in those days a lot of Jeeps were pretty much hunting Jeeps and they sat mainly.

    I don't have one, but a parts book for the CJ's ought clear things up for sure. :)
     
  12. Aug 8, 2015
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Apopka, Fl
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2002
    Messages:
    12,382
    I do have a wagon/truck parts book, and looking at it shows that in very early '54 model year for the 4 cyl. wagons and trucks they did start using a 1 1/4" intermediate shaft transfer case and a 29 tooth drive gear. At least the parts kit listed is consistent with a 1 1/4 shaft as it shows individual roller bearings, and the previous indicates the 2 caged bearings. I can't find anything definitive about the 6 cyl. models but it does list a different t-case assembly part number for early '56, but that might be for the parking brake assembly not being on the t-case any more. I do know my wagon is 29 tooth.
     
  13. Aug 9, 2015
    oldtime

    oldtime oldtime

    St. Charles,...
    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    Messages:
    3,503
    billybones,
    The transfer cases could possibly have different output yokes or companion flange.
    otherwise they should be identical.

    Glenn,
    DANA MODEL 18 TRANSFER CASE PROGRESSION

    Like all Jeep components the infamous Dana model 18 underwent a continual progression of changes.
    The earliest changes occurred even before MB / GPW production.
    After MB / GPW the intermediate shaft diameter was changed from 3/4" diameter to 1-1/8" for increased strength and durability.
    Also the MB / GPW's meager 1.97 to 1 ratio was changed to 2.43 to 1 ratio for the CJ universals.
    The 2.43 ratio D18 is a fairly good transfer case and it's plenty strong behind typical early Jeep engines.

    The Dana 18 was changed yet again in mid year 1954-1/2.
    This progression changed the ratio from 2.43 to a 2.46 to 1 ratio.
    Why bother ?
    That was Dana Spicer first attempt to quite down the model 18 transfer case.
    The gear teeth were re-cut finer and at a slightly different pitch.
    The intermediate shaft once again was then increased to 1-1/4" diameter.
    The roller bearing count was also increased and the roller cage was eliminated.
    The 2.46 to 1 ratio small hole version (3-5/32" index bore) is the time proven standard for the D18.
    That implies that this particular small hole 2.46 ratio transfer case assembly was used for the greatest duration of time. (1954-1/2 to 1971)

    In 1962 the silent type transfer case was finally perfected and it is commonly known as the Dana model 20. (D20)

    All D18's built before 1965 have 3-5/32" transmission index bore.
    The 2.46 ratio D18 was once again modified in 1965 for use with the more powerful Dauntless engines.
    This last progression of the D18 is commonly called the big hole D18.
    The big hole D18 utilizes the stronger and slightly heavier D20 case with it's inherent index bore @ 4".
    The big hole D18 gears sets remained the same as the 2.46 ratio small hole D18's.
    The big hole D18 front bearing cap was changed to a single stick configuration.
    It is the strongest of the D18 transfer cases.

    One cannot simply swap the gears between 2.43 ratio and 2.46 ratio D-18's unless all of the gears are swapped.
    However one could swap the complete 2.43 gear set into a 2.46 case and in order to utilize the 1-1/4" intermediate shaft.
    D-18's were never built as 2.43 ratio with 1-1/4" intermediate shaft from the factory.
    Other transfer case parts swap combinations are also practicable.
    D20 cases can be used for many drivetrain applications intermixed with 2.43 or 2.46 ratio gear sets.
    The ultimate D18 entails the stronger big hole case with 2.46 ratio or aftermarket ratio components plus the use of a twin stick front bearing cap.
     
  14. Aug 9, 2015
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Apopka, Fl
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2002
    Messages:
    12,382
    This whole thing is crazy. Novak's chart doesn't mention the 2.43 ratio. Going by all the available info that means my CJ 5 and 3B have earlier t-cases because they are both 1 1/8" shafts. The 3B I bought in '02 so nothing would surprise me because it was pretty much a basket case. CJ 5 I bought in '80 and it is a big surprise that someone would have swapped the case out. :shock:
     
  15. Aug 9, 2015
    timgr

    timgr We stand on the shoulders of giants. 2022 Sponsor

    Medford Mass USA
    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2003
    Messages:
    23,596
    This is all very interesting, but maybe we should focus on the OP's question.

    To the OP, I expect that if the transmission gears (the bull gears on the transmission main shaft) match, the two transfer cases should interchange. Each bull gear will have a part number that tells you what the tooth count is. This is the "Drive Gear" column on the Novak chart. That should be enough to answer your question.

    Ken, if this is not correct, please comment.
     
    Last edited: Aug 9, 2015
  16. Aug 9, 2015
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Apopka, Fl
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2002
    Messages:
    12,382
    If he has the drive gear that was with the t-case he should be good to go for sure. Correct?
     
  17. Aug 10, 2015
    oldtime

    oldtime oldtime

    St. Charles,...
    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    Messages:
    3,503
    Note:
    All 2.43 ratio transfer cases (unless modified) have 1-1/8" intermediate shaft.
    All 2.46 ratio transfer cases (unless modified) have 1-1/4" intermediate shaft.

    All 2.43 ratio use a 26 tooth transmission main shaft gear (T.C.input gear)
    All 2.46 ratio use a 29 tooth transmission main shaft gear (T.C.input gear)

    billybones states that he has a 1969 CJ-5 with F-134.
    The stock transfer case for that application is the 2.46 ratio small hole (3-5/32" index bore) D18.
    The 1961 P.U. also utilized a 2.46 ratio small hole D18.
    So the basic transfer case and transfer case gearing is identicle between these two jeeps.

    I'll take a look at the books to see what if any differences he will encounter.
    Likely the speedometer gears are different and possibly the shifters and rear output yoke.
    If I remember I'll check the 1961 pickup specifications.

    By the way I may be interested in the (two) 1961 speedometer gears if they do not fit your needs.
     
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2015
  18. Aug 10, 2015
    Daryl

    Daryl Sponsor

    Bonney Lake, WA
    Joined:
    May 25, 2006
    Messages:
    2,883
    The Novak chart also lists all the transmission main shaft gears( the transfer case input gears). It is critical that they match the transfer case. There are six(internal splines) by 26 or 29 (external splines) that have a different pitch. Ie. an 18-8-19 is different from an 18-8-46 but at a glance look the same. The gears were cut at either 17.5 degrees and at 20 degrees. They will bolt up and run either way but will howl like you won't believe. Very discouraging to think you have the project buttoned up only to test drive it and have a screaming transfer case. With the bottom pan off the t-case you can visualize the number on the front output shaft gear and match it up on the chart. This can help eliminate the frustration. It is very helpful when one pulls a transfer case out of a vehicle that the gear be removed from the transmission and kept with the transfer case to eliminate the question of which gear goes with which case. As we go into the 8th decade of Jeeps, it is impossible to know what may have been done by a previous owner on the new to you Jeep.
     
  19. Aug 10, 2015
    oldtime

    oldtime oldtime

    St. Charles,...
    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    Messages:
    3,503
    Yeah, the Willy Pick Up parts list basically confirms what I already stated.

    The speedometer gears could be set up 4.27 4.88 or 5.38.
    Your 1969 CJ-5 is 3.73 or possibly 4.88.

    The shifter levers are identical.

    The 61 PU uses 18-8-23 transmission main shaft gear. (29 tooth x 6 spline)
    The 69 CJ-5 uses 18-8-50 transmission main shaft gear. (29 tooth X 10 spline)
     
  20. Aug 10, 2015
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Apopka, Fl
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2002
    Messages:
    12,382
    According to the Novak chart it's the T14 that is 10 spline, T 90 is 6 spline.
     
New Posts