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Leaking front differential

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Greenshirt82, Aug 30, 2015.

  1. Aug 30, 2015
    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    So I recently changed (filled) the front differential (Dana 27) oil and now I have a leak, about an ounce or two a day. Best I can tell it's coming from the aft end where the drive shaft is.

    When I drained it first water then a sludge came out, no oil. I cleaned it all out, the gears looked ok and I filled it with GL5. No leak at the gasket/cover on the front, but the oil trail leads back and up to the pinion seal (if I have my terms right).

    Is this a hard fix? Do I need to simply replace the pinion seal (this thing)? http://walcks4wd.shopgate.com/item/383339

    Regards,
    Tim
     
  2. Aug 30, 2015
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    Probably so, but inspect the shaft where the seal touches for wear or pitting, you may have to put a sleeve on there. Also coat the threads with sealant when you put the yoke back on because oil can actually leak out the threads.
     
  3. Aug 30, 2015
    timgr

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    Another thing to keep in mind - if the differential was full of sludge, the outer pinon bearing is the first to be deprived of lubrication. The seal could be leaking because the outer pinion bearing is failing.

    IIRC you are supposed to use a new nut on the pinion when you replace the seal. The seal is a parts store item - no need to get one from a Jeep retailer. http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1835570&cc=1309418&jnid=460&jpid=0 Jeep PN 639265
     
  4. Aug 30, 2015
    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    "Sleeve"? Is that something readily available at a tractor supply or auto parts store? sorry for being thick.

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    Tim
     
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    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    So I should look for a new nut as well? And bearings as I don't want to tear into it and find I need one.

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    Tim
     
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    timgr

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    Usually called a "Speedi Sleeve" - a decent parts store can get one. It slips over the yoke, and you need a special seal to go with it. But don't burn that bridge until you come to it. It may be cheaper/easier/simpler to just replace the yoke if it has a groove worn in it.

    I would use a new nut if I could get one.
     
  7. Aug 30, 2015
    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    I'll get the nut as well, thanks.

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    Tim
     
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    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    Wow, that is a difference! Thanks for the info.

    Regards,
    Tim
     
  10. Aug 31, 2015
    nickmil

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    If you use a quality seal like a National no special seal is needed with a repair (Speedi) sleeve. A good seal is flexible enough to take up the extra thickness. A new nut is a good idea as is filling the groove with an epoxy so the repair sleeve doesn't collapse into the groove. Red thread locker is also a good idea on the sleeve when installing. It acts like a lubricant for easier installation, acts as a sealer, and keeps the sleeve from coming loose down the road.
     
  11. Sep 1, 2015
    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    I ordered both inner and outer seals and the nut. When they arrive I'll dive in and hope no other damage exists.

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    Tim
     
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    timgr

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    Inner seal?
     
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    nickmil

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    Good question. There is only an outer pinion seal...
     
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    Glenn

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    Maybe axle seals?
     
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    Greenshirt82

    Greenshirt82 The Old Girl - '69 CJ5

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    Walck's listed both an inner oil slinger and an outer oil slinger, plus the outer seal. In looking at the diagram in the FSM it shows this plus inner & outer bearings and cups and the shims. Since they weren't expensive, I got them.

    Regards,
    Tim
     
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    Inner oil slinger lives on pinion between bearing. The outer slinger should be fine. To replace the bearings you will need to remove the case. you don't want to do that. Replace the seal and instal new yoke or sleeve if required.
     
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