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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by clay, Nov 15, 2005.

  1. Nov 15, 2005
    clay

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    I know I'm going back and forth on this issue so I need help. I just started looking for another F-4 for the 56 cj5. Now this jeep is being built for a new Driver (My 6 yr. old son 10 year project or if done early I'll drive it for fun.) Use will be around town and some hiway use. I know it will be a little slow and I'll have to put a overdrive in it. All this leads to my big concerns Would it be better to have a v-6 so I can run power steering and brakes My main concern is Safety. But I do like the idea of original. but not over safety.
     
  2. Nov 15, 2005
    Mcruff

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    You can run power steering on an f-head you will just have to build or have built the brackets. If it robs a little power run an electric fan to gain some of it back. The overdrive will help though with top speed.
    The brakes for the most part don't need to be power brakes just larger brakes, either 10", 11", disk or a combination of them.
     
  3. Nov 15, 2005
    clay

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    I have the 4 wheel discs on it is that enough with a duel m/c. I thought p/s would rob to much power from the small amount of power the engine has. Is the non power sag conversion easy enough for a 16 yr old new driver.
     
  4. Nov 15, 2005
    lynn

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    You don't need a V6 for better brakes. You can have excellent manual brakes by going with 11 drums, or front disc/rear 11" drums. Plenty of info here on how to do either.

    Power steering is readily do-able with the V6; not easy at all with the F-head, unless you can do some custom bracket fab work.
    The Ross manual steering you currently have can be rebuilt, even somewhat upgraded by using the Ross V6 box. By rebuilding/replacing the necessary steering components and staying with relatively narrow tires, the factory steering will be safe.
    Adding the OD will make the rig useable on the highway with the F-head.

    Bottom line, the V6 does not inherently increase safety; in fact it opens up some different risks.
    You, and your son can be safe with the F head.

    If you want the V6 for more power :twisted: that's a whole different thing... ;) :D
     
  5. Nov 15, 2005
    w3srl

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    Yup. I have a manual saginaw setup on my '2A and even with 31x9.50 tires I can easily turn the wheel withone finger on dry pavement. IMHO, unless you spend a lot of time off-road, power steering is overkill on an early Jeep. Besides, I'm partial to the amount of "road feel" you get with a manual setup. ;)
     
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    lynn

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    I had a 66 Chevy Belair in my teen years with manual Saginaw steering, and it wasn't too hard... I think manual Saginaw is a good option. It will be better than the factory Ross set up even if the Ross is rebuilt.
     
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    Boyink

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    I can vouch for this...11" brakes on the stock m/c, and no problems locking up 32" tires even with the heavier CJ6.
     
  8. Nov 15, 2005
    clay

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    I plan on rebuilding what ever steering i use or going new. I was under the impression the ross box even new was a hassle to have
     
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    Mcruff

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    The Ross setup will be better if you change to the 1 piece tie rod that runs from wheel to wheel instead of the factory set up.
    To me power steering was the cheaper option over the manual only because the manual boxes and there rebuild kits are getting hard (not impossible) to find, but power steering boxes are cheap, in most cases about $65-$75 will buy the box and pump. I gave up on looking for a manual box and then stumbled onto a local guy that had a few but I already had my power parts by then.
     
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    speedbuggy

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    I'd keep the :hurrican: , add 11" drums and the dual res m/c kit and upgrade to manual saginaw. The OD will be a nice addition as well :)

    I'm running 33's and have no trouble with the saginaw ;)
     
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    jpflat2a

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    the secret to manual steering is to leave the large factory steering wheel on.
    smaller wheel = much harder to turn
     
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    timgr

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    Using a dual reservoir master cylinder is an obvious improvement in safety.

    I'd probably stay away from power accessories with the F4, simply because the parasitic load affects a small engine more noticably than a large one. The electric fan is a good suggestion for the same reason.

    The manual steering will be fine for a young man if you keep the tire footprint narrow and keep the pressure up. Smaller tires will reduce the ride height and that will be safer for a new driver too.
     
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    speedbuggy

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    Good advice. I did change my wheel to a 14" Grant, and it is a bit harder to turn. Not bad though ;)
     
  15. Nov 15, 2005
    clay

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    thanks all
     
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