Pace Setter headers

Does anyone have any experience with Pace Setter shorty headers (PSM-72C1130) for the 225 V6? Not real thrilled with outside the frame headers and thought these might be a good alternative. Also can I get rid of the smog pump and egr? I don't live in a sniffer zone.:v6:

 

These are 16 ga. tubes, 3/8" flanges, and ceramic coated. Reducers and Y-pipe are included. They sound good.:v6:

 

I think Hedman's are preferred. $135 from Summit.

 

Where did you see that these were a shorty ?? I checked the website and it doesn't say if they are or aren't..... they list a fenderwell complete exhaust and non coated and coated headers but no mention of shorty or fenderwell.... here's the link to the page for Jeep that I found.....
http://www.pacesetterexhaust.com/jeep.htm

 

The paint burned off of mine the first time I ran it. Now they are just rusting.

 

I've got the Pace setter armor coat headers on my CJ7, (258 straight six), and they fit well enough and the finish is holding up great, still looks shiny and bright after about 8000 miles here on the coast.

 

Evans,
I located them on the Summit Racing website. Here's the link.
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=egnsearch.asp&N=115+-59016+-60034+-42215

 

Sounds like what you want , but without a picture of the pieces I would be scared... I guess you can always return it if it isn't what you want. did you read the footnotes where it said it has smog hook-ups. Good luck with them and let us know what they're like, I would love some that aren't fenderwell too !!

 

Since nobody seems to have seen them I think I'll contact Pacesetter before I purchase. As far as the smog hookups go, if its possible I'm going to get rid of that stuff. Any thoughts?:v6:

 

have to see what the hook up are like and if you can plug them... See if PaceSetter has any photos they would like to share...

 

Actually I was wondering if you knew anything about removing the smog pump and egr valve and if there's anything I need to consider when doing so. Emmission testing is not a concern. I live far away from the exhaust cops.:v6:

 

Don't know ..my 68' didn't have them when I got it....

 

The smog pump is a maintenance headache, but doesn't affect performance much - a lot less than the other parasitic loads like the fan, water pump, alternator, or power steering. I'd keep it as long as it works, and if it broke, I'd fix it if I could get the parts for a reasonable cost.

The EGR affects the fuel/air mixture, and you'll be effectively leaner if you remove it. Be prepared to rejet. EGR does have some effect on performance, though you may not notice it when it's removed.

 

In the end it turns out to be a fruitless search. I contacted Pacesetter and they e-mailed me back that Summit had it wrong. These are the same old fenderwell headers that everyone has.:v6:
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To bad man !! I thought you were on to something.... Thanks for checking into it.

 

My 70 doesn't have an EGR valve. As I remember EGR valves didn't make there appearence until 73. You may have a later model intake if you have an EGR. I wish the PO of my JEEP had not removed my AIR system as its obvious that it had one, ya never know when the smog Nazis will rear there ugly heads. I remember well when smog inspections became manditory in Ca, many a good JEEP had to leave the state as it wasn't economical to replace all that junk to pass the inspection.My 73 304 powered CJ5 went to Utah if I remember correctly. Mike

 

If you have the stock intake you have an EGR, just not a valve. You have a crossover under the front edge of the rochester 2G. I replaced my gasket with one that had a block off. Most of the time if the engine has a decent number of miles on it the holes are plugged from carbon buildup. The exhaust gas cross's over from one side of the intake to the other under the carb, there is a well under the front edge of the carb and 2 holes on the sides of the intake under the carb that connect thru the well on the front edge. Very simple design but it operates all the time instead of during warm up only.

 

I removed the smog pump and associated plumbing from mine in about '81. I added plugs where the tubes connected. Never have missed it..., but I've saved all the parts. Actually passed the sniffer checks in Wa state for several years thereafter. While I lived in Cali ('91-'01) they changed the smog laws to exempt vehicles older than '73, so I lucked out there.:twisted:

 

The smog pumps are notorious for failing. You can simply remove the AIR system. Be sure to remove the injection tubes while your replacing your exhaust, as they are pressed into the head and can effect performance by blocking the exhaust port. I would keep all the parts, however, as there is allways somebody out there that wants these things. I wouldn't recomend blocking the exhaust crossover if you live in a climate that gets cold. This system routes exhaust gasses under the carb to aid in atomization and help eleminate icing during cold startups. Mcruff is correct that they can block over time, however, they can be cleaned out whenever the intake is removed.I too would be suprised if you had an EGR valve. However, California has been a leader(yippy) in smog reduction in the late 60's and early 70's. If you do indeed have an EGR valve, then simply remove,block,fill holes, or otherwise elimenate the system.