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Basic T14/D18 user question

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by jayhawkclint, Jun 26, 2006.

  1. Jun 26, 2006
    jayhawkclint

    jayhawkclint ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    Okay, this question will show my experience with Jeeps, but oh well.

    After getting my Jeep rolling today (thanks guys), I put a few miles on her around the neighborhood. I noticed that the T14 frequently grinds into 2nd, but not into 1st or 3rd. I found that there is an area to the extreme right that, if I hit precisely, will minimize grinding. Is this common with the T14? Synchronizers?

    Also, I can't seem to find neutral or 2WD on my D18. 4HI and 4LO work well. I have just been leaving the hubs unlocked, but I don't want to wear something out. My well-worn sticker on the dash shows that they should be somewhere inbetween 4HI and 4LO, but there is no detent anywhere. Is there a trick to this, or is my sticker wrong?

    In 4LO I noticed that the case makes a low pitched growl. Not grinding, just a "growl", kind of like a set of mud terrain tires make on pavement. Is this normal?
     
  2. Jun 26, 2006
    neptco19

    neptco19 That guy....

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    Does your tcase have 2 shifters?? If so the one on the left should engage/disengage your front axle. And the neutral should be in the middle area on the right shifter with all the way back being 4lo and forward being "high" range wether its 4 or 2wd depends on wether the front axle is engaged or not.

    And my d18 growls also, if I'm not mistaken its due to the gears being strait cut.
     
  3. Jun 26, 2006
    jayhawkclint

    jayhawkclint ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    Sorry for leaving out the crucial info - it's a 1970 with T-14, single shift D18, Warn OD, manual hubs.
     
  4. Jun 27, 2006
    runnamuck

    runnamuck look out!

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    you got it on the syncros. common problem on most jeep trannys. growl is more than likely for the way the gears are made.
     
  5. Jun 27, 2006
    MOP

    MOP Active Member

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    sticker is wrong, methinks:

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  6. Jun 27, 2006
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Is the growl worse when under a load?

    The source of the growl can be worn motor mounts/tranny mount. These can allow a bit of misalignment which will result in a growl when under load.
    The growl could also be caused by a worn intermediate shaft/bearings in the tcase. The D18 is easy to rebuild, and Novak makes a superior replacement intermediate shaft.
    See more info here: http://www.novak-adapt.com/catalog/model_18_20_components.htm

    On the other hand... the D18 is a noisy case even when all is in good shape... so what you hear may be a result of straight cut gears as said above. Do you know anyone else running a D18 that you could compare the sound?
     
  7. Jun 27, 2006
    timgr

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    Jayhawkclint, if you are used to driving a passenger car with a manual transmission, the truck transmissions (like the T-14) are different.They are not meant to be shifted quickly.

    Since you mentioned that you can minimize the gear clash by moving the shifter way to the right, that's what you should do. I expect that you are clipping reverse on the 1-2 shift if you do not deliberately go up to neutral, across, then up to 2nd. The gate (the left-to-right wobble in neutral) is very wide on these transmissions compared to a passenger car, and you must move the shifter all the way to the left or right in the gate before you move the lever forward or back into gear. No fast shifting allowed!

    If you were hearing gear clash on the downshift from 3rd to 2nd, I would say the 2nd gear synchro is worn. These are more properly called the blocking rings, and are brass rings that act as a clutch between the spinning gears to prevent gear clash. 2nd is the one that wears out first. However, synchro performance should depend on how fast you shift, not where the shifter lever is.

    Your shifter top may be worn if the shifter is so sloppy that you can clip reverse easily. If that's the case, then you can accomodate it by shifting slowly and deliberately, or maybe they can be rebuilt - I have not tried to rebuild a Borg-Warner shift top.
     
  8. Jun 27, 2006
    timgr

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    BTW the transmission will continue to work fine for a long time with worn synchros. You can slow down your shifting and match engine speed, or even learn to double-clutch on a downshift, to minimize gear clash.
     
  9. Jun 27, 2006
    Glenn

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    On your transfer case shifting question 1st thing is to check for sloppy linkage. The one shifter has to move both rods just right so chances are that's not happening.
     
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