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TH350 behind the 225 Buick

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Rick N., Jun 27, 2009.

  1. Jun 27, 2009
    Rick N.

    Rick N. New Member

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    Anyone out in CJ land have any experience with mating the TH350 auto to the 225 Oddfire? I've got a '68 CJ-5 and the wife can't use a manual tranny clutch
    anymore due to health issues.
     
  2. Jun 27, 2009
    Daryl

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    I use the 400 because the ones that came out of wagoneers, trucks and Jeepsters bolt right up. All the 350s that I have used required cutting and modifying the pan so that the driveline would clear. You are most likely gonna have to modify your drivelines no matter what you do so dont let that determine the placement of your motor. I usually end up with a 14-16" rear driveline. I have done over a dozen Jeeps with a t-400 without any driveline vibrations, so dont let someone tell you that it is too long!
     
  3. Jun 27, 2009
    Patrick

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    My Dad put a TH350 out of a '71 Buick Century in his '67. No pan mods needed.
    The TH350 is slightly shorter than a 400, and has a lower 1st gear ratio.
     
  4. Jun 27, 2009
    diger51

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    Ok new to the jeep world , what transfer case did you use behind the th350 or 400 tranny?
    Thanks
     
  5. Jun 27, 2009
    Patrick

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    Dana 18
     
  6. Jun 27, 2009
    Daryl

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    Thats the best part about the 400 is that it came with a dana 20 behind it stock. No new shafts for a 350 or any modifications. It is still common to pick up a 400 with a 20 behind it ready to go for a couple hundred bucks.
     
  7. Jun 27, 2009
    BajaEdition

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    this is a mod I would love to do. My wife has had a few knee operations and the Cj is like a knee killer for her to operate. So any info I could get to put a 350 or a 400 b4hind a 225 and bolting to a D18 would be helpful
     
  8. Jun 27, 2009
    sparky

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    Worst part is the length of it in a CJ-5.
     
  9. Jun 28, 2009
    Daryl

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    If you start with the grill and mount up the radiator sized to your engines cooling needs. Next mount the engine with the proper clearance for the fan and presto chango you have a setup with a 14-16" rear driveline. It really is that simple! It will fit, it does work and it can save you hundreds of dollars over an AA adapter, rebuilding a 350 with the short shaft, all for a couple inches.
     
  10. Jun 28, 2009
    Patrick

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    Agreed, although the 350 is more suited to the 225 as the th400 robs a bit more power. The 350 is smaller, and has a better 1st gear ratio. Engine can be left in stock position.
    I'm not arguing that the 4oo is a viable option, just pointing out some pros anc cons.
     
  11. Jun 28, 2009
    Daryl

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    I sometimes forget that moving the motor mounts is probably easier to me then some people changing spark plugs. Its nice to get points from more then one angle.
     
  12. Jun 28, 2009
    BajaEdition

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    Is there a way to use the Warn overdrive with the 350 conversion?
     
  13. Jun 28, 2009
    Patrick

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    I would think so. You'd probably have to slip the trans. into neutral to shift the OD.
     
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    Patrick

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    I have no problem moving motor mounts, or the radiator. I'd just prefer not to, and you don't with a TH350.
     
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    BajaEdition

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    Yes, that would be the worry, shifting the OD, With the manual Tranny you need to disengage the clutch to shift it so I was wondering if anyone had tried using it with an Auto, And if so how they would shift it. I think it would be possible to decide before starting the engine which range you would be using, but sometimes when driving the freeway it can become useful to pull an extra gear out of your hat. Like when that Tacoma will not let you take the lane you want. Sure surprises the bejesus out of them when they find out the power your little 225 has.
     
  16. Jun 28, 2009
    Patrick

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    I'm sure it would shift with the trans. in neutral, even moving down the road.
     
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    Daryl

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    No problem shifting, just sold a 3b last year with an overdrive on a 18 behind a 350. I was always worried about shifting at speeds, but never had a problem. Around town I ran it in direct and if I was going on the highway I would shift into o/d. Remember that the o/d doesnt give you any more power it just reduces the engine rpm at speed. Herm would be the best contact on what you can and cannot do with an o/d.
     
  18. Jun 28, 2009
    nickmil

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    The TH 400 is indeed a viable option. Other than length and pan size there's one more thing to think about, transfer case options. Using the stock TH 400 Jeep adapter does not allow you to use an 18 transfer case with the lower 2.46-1 gears or do that conversion to a 20 because the spud shaft in the adapter is not a standard 6 spline unit so you can't use the standard transfer case input gear.
    With the TH 350 conversion when you buy a Novak or AA adapter they come with the 6 spline spud shaft which opens up tons more options.
     
  19. Jun 30, 2009
    Wmi68CJ5

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    I have this very set-up as we speak. I have a Warn overdrive that I do indeed shift in neutral. I have never tried it in drive. I used a 4x4 th350 from a chevy and used an adapter plate from jegs since is was cheaper than changing cases. I left the motor mounts in their stock location and moved the trans cross member back into some of the holes that were already in the frame( t98 location maybe?). I then had the rear d shaft shortened to somewhere around 12-1/2" and I had a late model CJ front d shaft shortened for the front. I used a b&m quicksilver floor shifter. I went to the twin stick conversion on my d18 thus not needing to do anything with the shift bracket. BTW I used the novak adapter. Their adapter clocks the tranfer case down a little. I did have to "clearance" my tranny pan a little but I think this was needed since I went to a D44 up front and the pinion location is a little farther inboard of the frame rail than the stock d27 was. I did not use a kick down cable and plugged the whole on the tranny with no ill affects on shifting.

    This set-up works pretty well so far.

    todd
     
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  20. Jun 30, 2009
    Chris Insull

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    This is one upgrade that I've wanted to address but haven't (I will admit my kids want to drive the CJ, but have NO desire for a stick tranny:rofl:). As I've gotten older (only 44 now) I've thought about doing a T-350 swap (Chevy or Buick), but my "greed" also wants to keep the Warn OD. Sounds like it's definitely doable; just shift the OD with the tranny in neutral when on the fly... One question I have is what torque converter has been used, and why? Detailed swap pics would be awesome; possibly a tech write-up for inclusion on the site.
     
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