Perkins anyone?

How many on here have the Perkins diesel engine?

 

I'd like to plunk a Perkins or a 3.9 B series Cummins in. Just haven't found one in my price range yet. I was offered a Doritos truck a month or so ago and had high hopes, but it had a 6.5 non turbo in it.

 

I don't know of any members that own one of the original Perkins-equipped Jeeps. They come up for sale very rarely... I think lots of the members here would like to own one (including me) if they had the money, space, time and opportunity.

 

I have a 1964 cj5 with the perkins lots of starter problems right now

 

The Cummins is an interesting idea. We have a 4B3.9M(G) that runs a generator at work that will probably be getting swapped out in the next couple years. The only problem I could see is that the thing is pretty tall. Have you measured it to see if it would fit?

 

IIRC this is the engine most prefered as far as diesel swaps go. Never have seen this done up close but seems like every once in a while you see a write up on it. I think wieght is a major concern also. I think that this engine is usually found in step vans and fork trucks. Someone told me once and I haven't any idea if it is so, but the perkins in the Jeep is one of the same models used in Massey Ferguson tractors in the 50s and 60s.

 

Know what model?

 

I've read about Wranglers running them. I'd like to go that route, but probably the torque would have me going nuts trying to keep the rest of the drivetrain together.

 

I just did a check on ebay for a perkins engine. Here is one. Not sure if it work or not in a jeep. If my F134 was bad, I would consider buying it .

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4546573266&category=50441

 

I have an old Massey with a 3 cylinder Perkins in it, but it's the gas engine. From what I've seen and heard, both the gas and diesel engines used the same block and a whole bunch of other parts. The only major differences were the pistons, head, and the injector pump went in place of the dist. I guess it could work to find an old tractor out in a field somewhere steal the engine and put it in a Jeep. I think the 3 cyl gas engine would work ok as well. It's only 153 cu.in. but wow does it make torque! I've had it loaded up so hard that I could literally count the engine fires but it just wouldn't quit.

 

There's a little info on the Perkins here: http://www.jeeptech.com/wiki/index.php/Engine/Factory/Perkins_192_I4

Lots of discussion of a diesel swap on the IFSJA board for use in Wagoneers particularly. The main problem is the weight of the diesel engine, besides the usually high purchase price. There's a fellow there that has a Cummins 4BT in a M-715, which seems like a pretty good match. Most diesel engines (like the 4.5L Perkins above) are really heavy, way too heavy for a CJ IMO.

The Perkins Jeeps are interesting because they were a fairly rare factory option that had amazing torque at low RPM. AFAIK the Perkins does not solve any of the problems most folks find with their F134, and which is remidied with the V6 option. A really cool thing, but probably less practical than the F134 equipped Jeep.

For the Wagoneers, the "popular" (ie more than one example exists) swap is the GMC V8 diesels, preferably the turbocharged 6.5L (not sure of the displacement). For a CJ, you might consider one of the small, modern turbo diesels, like the Volvos.

 

or VW

 

the thought crossed my mind back when i first got my jeep. decided it would be too much work so i instead tore the whole jeep apart and put in a motor and trans that are not even from the same company. boy that was a bright move.

 

I remember driving a Toyota Land Cruiser pickup back in the late 70's in Costa Rica when I was down there on a farm for an assignment for a couple of weeks with the Agriculture Dept. It had a diesel. Don't remember much about it. I think it was a straight 6 with a manual 4-speed transmission. It ran great. I do remember it would not throw you back in the seat power when you hit the accelerator pedal. However it was a great farm truck with great lugging power.

I think they still have a lot of diesels in vehicles in that part of Central America.

 

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