Best way to proceed? ('71 frameup)

Thanks for the advice, fellers.

Yes she's a T-86 w/ a T-90 tower. Solved the ZERO oil pressure prob tonight and even ran 'er through some gears. So far so good.

Regarding the tranny/teeth, I'm going to leave well-enough alone. It ran before this; it'll run again. Plus I've got an unfortunate proclivity towards fouling matters up when not necessary, so I'll only go backwards in this project unless I absolutely have to. On the wiring, I've finally figgered out enough to have 'er running for 60-seconds or so--that's good enough for me to throw the tub & dash on and complete the full wiring. Thanks for the tips & friendly encouragement!!

 

Heres a brewski to ya Hippo.. Excellent job.

 

Alan not for long... it's your Jeep

looks like it's the cluster gear that's bad, not the idler

mottos to live by:

"any job worth doing is worth doing correctly the first time"

"why is there never enough time to do it right the first time, but plenty of time to do it over later ?"

 

I hate it when you guys are right!!! :grrrrrrr:

 

You know that when that tranny breaks, it will be at the worst possible time in the worst possible place, right? And right now, with the tub off, it's just about the easiest to work on that it could possibly be, unless it was out and on the floor. JMHO, but I'd say you're nuts to not fix it right now.

 

Just saw that those cluster/countershaft gears go for $150!! Anyone got a decent spare one? For that price I should either find another T-86, or an x-fer case for the T-14 and toss that in instead (I'd rather do that). Hmmm, decisions decisions....

 

R) R) That's too funny Howard!!

Ok, ok ok I give up, I'll do it.

What would be better? Remove T-86 & D-18, and then:

1. R & R both, replace the baddie countershaft gear ($150!!!) or

2. Install the better T-14, and find/buy a x-fer case with the correct gears/spline/tooth count?

I'd prefer to use the T-14. I have a spare x-fer case, but with wrong gears. Any other options? What would you'ns do??

 

i'll second brian's comments... i made the swap from a t14 to t15 (ten spline to six spline output on the tranny). all i had to do was replace the bull gear goinr into the transfer case. i'll give a look-see to see if i still have the ten spline gear stashed somewhere later today. that should make the swap basically free.

 

I sold that big-hole case; still have a small-hole case, and I have no idea which one is mated to the T86. Does it matter which one goes w/ the T-14? IIRC, it had one of those adapters to make it a small-hole dealio (I kept that adapter ring).

Good call on that Novak site. No luck researching on what a "bull-gear" is. :? Is that the same as the 'Mainshaft Gear', or 'drive gear'? Whichever gear that is that you have to take off in order to separate tranny & x-fer case, that's the one in question. My T-14's gear was 10-spline, 26 tooth; T-86's was 6-spline, 29. So yes I'll need a 10-spline, 29 toother in order to use the T-14 with my x-fer case.

Brian, you're quite the gracious offerer. I've got a couch, a fridge full of beer, and 2 CJ-5s to go cruising in (some trails, too ).

Chris, that'd be great if you had that 10-spline, 29 toother available.

 

Bull gear is called the drive gear on the Novak site. The 29 tooth, 10 spline, 20 degree (947382) is used with the CJ T-14. According to the chart, the 26 tooth / 10 spline was only used in vehicles with a Dana 20 ... I'd make sure that you have the right input gear on your T-14. Your T-14 could be from a J-truck or Wagon with the Rambler (pre-71) 232, or from a CJ or Commando with a 232 or 258, 72-75. I don't think there's any other app for the T-14 with a D20 in Jeeps, and that these other apps for the T-14 won't have the right input shaft and bearing retainer.

 

LOL you'll love this pic. Might not even qualify as a 20-tooth R) :


Tim: I don't think I've ever even seen a D-20. :? Saw a pic of one online and it looked nothing like what this T-14 was mated to (see pix below). The tranny came w/ a CJ that supposedly had a Chevy engine, so I won't be surprised if it's from a diffo app.

Thx for the tips; lemme know what you think about the pics.

T-14:


Pix of the x-fer case (sold since):

 

Ok, the digits on the drive gear indicate "18 8 49", which puts it in the applicaton of Late style Kaiser J series Pickups & Wagons. Jeepster.

Now what?

 

That looks like a pickup T-14 ... The truck and wagon transmissions have a long input shaft so that the shifter is moved back into the cab, and were used with a different bellhousing. The CJ T-14s have either a 8.5" or 9.5" stickout - these lengths were posted here a few days ago. Hang on... I'll look for it.